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Magetto said:
hershel_layton said:

You mentioned 3 places the US basically raped and beat up.

What did you expect from Iraq's destroyed government? For the people to magically get together, make peace, and sing songs around a campfire?

of course not!

When you destroy a country, expect bad things! Don't blame on it those who speak Arabic. Tell your government to pull their head out of their ass and stop invading countries.

And then beat them up for good reason, they should go back over there now and wipe the Isis out.

 

It is alway Iraq. Always some middle Eastern country that's having some kind of problem with a government, always some sort of war going on, people blowing each other up, threatening other countries. It's been that says for decades and it will always be that way. Don't make excuses for them.

 

These things never happen to white filled countries do they? Spain or England's government doesn't get destroyed and cause people to walk the streets with RPGs and then go over to France and now down 100 people.

 

No it's Arabs, time and time again it is Arabs. Not Japanese, not Greeks, not French, Arabs. 

You know the downfall of the Middle East for the past few decades is because countries decided to invade it.

 

If they'd be left alone, they could actually have a chance of recovering- surprising, right?



 

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Magetto said:

 

These things never happen to white filled countries do they? Spain or England's government doesn't get destroyed and cause people to walk the streets with RPGs and then go over to France and now down 100 people.

 

No it's Arabs, time and time again it is Arabs. Not Japanese, not Greeks, not French, Arabs. 

I was going to stay out of this, but are you being sarcastic?

 

Never in Europe has any extremist group taken advantage of a country in chaos to push it's own ideology and bring violence and death to people both at home, and abroad.

Not once.

Nope.

Nah.

http://www.history.co.uk/study-topics/history-of-ww2/nazi-germany

 

You almost perfectly summerized Germany in the lead up to WWII.



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JWeinCom said:
Seems these stories keep popping up, people have a gut reaction, then more details come out. Like with clock kid, Allison Rapp, etc. If the story went down exactly as the guy said, obviously that's terrible. But, there are always two sides.

There probably isn't more to this story. I don't blame people for getting nervous at a guy yelling, "allah." For those not paying attention there is a reason people get nervous about that.

This is the world we live in I guess, people get nervous when terrorist attacks become a reguarlar part of the the daily news. Same reasons everybody is afraid of guns, rape, etc.



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Magetto said:

And then beat them up for good reason, they should go back over there now and wipe the Isis out.

 

It is alway Iraq. Always some middle Eastern country that's having some kind of problem with a government, always some sort of war going on, people blowing each other up, threatening other countries. It's been that says for decades and it will always be that way. Don't make excuses for them.

 

These things never happen to white filled countries do they? Spain or England's government doesn't get destroyed and cause people to walk the streets with RPGs and then go over to France and now down 100 people.

 

No it's Arabs, time and time again it is Arabs. Not Japanese, not Greeks, not French, Arabs. 

You know the downfall of the Middle East for the past few decades is because countries decided to invade it.

 

If they'd be left alone, they could actually have a chance of recovering- surprising, right?

 

Shifting the blame on to somebody else. They were left alone, US had left middle East and then ISIS sprang up and started ruining the continent again. So it would appear US need to go back to kill them all to sort the shit out.

 

Seems like it got much worse without US around. Which again is because they can't be trusted and they are incaple of looking after themselves like other countries can.



Normchacho said:
Magetto said:

 

These things never happen to white filled countries do they? Spain or England's government doesn't get destroyed and cause people to walk the streets with RPGs and then go over to France and now down 100 people.

 

No it's Arabs, time and time again it is Arabs. Not Japanese, not Greeks, not French, Arabs. 

I was going to stay out of this, but are you being sarcastic?

 

Never in Europe has any extremist group taken advantage of a country in chaos to push it's own ideology and bring violence and death to people both at home, and abroad.

Not once.

Nope.

Nah.

http://www.history.co.uk/study-topics/history-of-ww2/nazi-germany

 

You almost perfectly summerized Germany in the lead up to WWII.

 

Oh you're talking about that country that caused a lot of trouble around the world  over 70 years ago which has now transformed itself into being a country with one if the lowest crime stats in the world.

 

Yeah that's just like these war torn middle Eastern countries that still continue to cause trouble around the world for the past 30 years with no sign of it getting any better...



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Normchacho said:

 

(CNN)One day, Khairuldeen Makhzoomi was proudly asking the U.N. secretary-general a question. The next, he was booted from a Southwest flight and questioned by the FBI.


For the 26-year-old student at University of California, Berkeley, it was a shocking turn.

READ: Muslim family seeks apology after being forced off United flight

Now he's pushing for an apology from the airline and spreading the word about what happened, which he calls a clear case of Islamaphobia.

It all started, according to Makhzoomi, after he decided to call his uncle in Baghdad after getting on the plane. While he waited for takeoff on his flight from Los Angeles to Oakland, California, they chatted in Arabic about an event he'd been excited to attend the day before: a dinner with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

READ: 3 Muslims, Sikh kicked off flight because of their looks, lawsuit says

'Clock boy' Ahmed Mohamed's family seeks $15 million, apologies from Texas city

'Clock boy' Ahmed Mohamed seeks $15 million, apologies

"I just called him and talked to him about it and everything, and he told me (to) call him when I get to Oakland, and I said, 'insha'Allah insha'Allah (God willing), I will call you when I arrive.' And during the conversation a lady was staring at me," Makhzoomi said.

The political science student thought the woman might have been concerned with how loudly he spoke on the phone. He saw her abruptly leave the plane. And suddenly, the situation turned.

"One guy came with police officers within two minutes -- I can't believe how fast they were -- and told me to get off the plane," he said.

Airline: 'Report of potentially threatening comments'

Southwest declined to provide details about the incident but said in a written statement that the airline doesn't tolerate discrimination.

"Prior to the departure of Flight 4620, our crew made the decision to investigate a report of potentially threatening comments overheard onboard our aircraft. A group of our employees including the flight crew made the decision to review the situation. We understand local law enforcement also spoke with that passenger as the aircraft departed the gate," Southwest said.

Prior to the departure of Flight 4620, our crew made the decision to investigate a report of potentially threatening comments


Southwest Airlines


"To respect the privacy of those involved, we will not publicly share any further specifics of the event. We prefer to communicate directly with our customers to address concerns and feedback regarding their travel experience."

"No further action" was taken after questioning Makhzoomi, an FBI spokeswoman said.

Makhzoomi says he hasn't received an apology from Southwest since he got kicked off the April 6 flight.

"All I want is an apology today," Makhzoomi said. "We as a people, Iraqi, American, Iranian, we share one thing in common, and that is our dignity. If someone tries to take that away from us, we should fight but not with aggression, with knowledge and education. One must stand for his principle."



Muslim in America 01:34

'I felt oppressed'

Getting escorted off the plane was only the beginning, Makhzoomi said.

From, there, he said, the situation only got worse.

"The guy who came and pulled me from the plane, he took me to the jet bridge, I believe he worked with Southwest and I must say he was aggressive in the way he treated me. He was not very nice. He tried to speak to me in Arabic, but I couldn't understand his Arabic, so I asked him to speak to me in English," Makhzoomi said. "I felt oppressed. I was afraid. He said, 'You seem that you were having a serious conversation on the phone. Who were you talking to?' "

Makhzoomi told him he had been speaking with his uncle and showed him the video of the dinner with Ban Ki-moon.

According to Makhzoomi, the man responded, "Why are you talking in Arabic? You know the environment is very dangerous."

Then, Makhzoomi said, dogs came and sniffed his bag, someone searched him at the gate and took his wallet, and FBI agents escorted him away.

He says one of the agents asked a question that surprised him: "You need to be very honest with us with what you said about the martyrs. Tell us everything you know about the martyrs.'

"The moment that she said that, I told her I never said that word, I only said insha'Allah."

The questioning soon ended.

"Southwest will not fly you back," the agent said, according to Makhzoomi. "You may go."

'New normal' for Muslims?

Makhzoomi said Southwest gave him a refund, and he booked a flight home on Delta. By the time he returned to Oakland, he was so shaken he took to his bed and slept for days.

Then, he contacted the Council on American-Islamic Relations. The organization says it's the latest sign of an alarming trend.

"It's frightening on an individual level. This story is frightening when it's a singular incident," CAIR representative Zahra Billoo said, "and it's problematic that there's numerous complaints against Southwest and others this year. This is just the new normal for Muslims while flying."

Southwest says its primary focus is safety.

 

"We wouldn't remove a passenger from a flight without a collaborative decision rooted in established procedures," the airline said. "Southwest neither condones nor tolerates discrimination of any kind. Our company could not survive if we believed otherwise. In fact, a cursory view of our workforce, as well as our expansive, multicultural customer base, is a reliable indicator that we exalt and appreciate diversity."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/us/southwest-muslim-passenger-removed/index.html

 

 

This is some kind of bullshit. That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

yes reporting 1 side of a story and making accusations as if they are truth before knowing what actually happened is BS  and really needs to stop -  i know many media outlets get more traffic and viewership by reporting drama and contreversy but this s just crazy-   lets find out the other side of the story 1st  -  then again Arabic speaking people have never highjacked planes and or killed people on them before-  oh wait  maybe they have 1 or 2 times



Dunban67 said:
Normchacho said:

 

(CNN)One day, Khairuldeen Makhzoomi was proudly asking the U.N. secretary-general a question. The next, he was booted from a Southwest flight and questioned by the FBI.


For the 26-year-old student at University of California, Berkeley, it was a shocking turn.

READ: Muslim family seeks apology after being forced off United flight

Now he's pushing for an apology from the airline and spreading the word about what happened, which he calls a clear case of Islamaphobia.

It all started, according to Makhzoomi, after he decided to call his uncle in Baghdad after getting on the plane. While he waited for takeoff on his flight from Los Angeles to Oakland, California, they chatted in Arabic about an event he'd been excited to attend the day before: a dinner with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

READ: 3 Muslims, Sikh kicked off flight because of their looks, lawsuit says

'Clock boy' Ahmed Mohamed's family seeks $15 million, apologies from Texas city

'Clock boy' Ahmed Mohamed seeks $15 million, apologies

"I just called him and talked to him about it and everything, and he told me (to) call him when I get to Oakland, and I said, 'insha'Allah insha'Allah (God willing), I will call you when I arrive.' And during the conversation a lady was staring at me," Makhzoomi said.

The political science student thought the woman might have been concerned with how loudly he spoke on the phone. He saw her abruptly leave the plane. And suddenly, the situation turned.

"One guy came with police officers within two minutes -- I can't believe how fast they were -- and told me to get off the plane," he said.

Airline: 'Report of potentially threatening comments'

Southwest declined to provide details about the incident but said in a written statement that the airline doesn't tolerate discrimination.

"Prior to the departure of Flight 4620, our crew made the decision to investigate a report of potentially threatening comments overheard onboard our aircraft. A group of our employees including the flight crew made the decision to review the situation. We understand local law enforcement also spoke with that passenger as the aircraft departed the gate," Southwest said.

Prior to the departure of Flight 4620, our crew made the decision to investigate a report of potentially threatening comments


Southwest Airlines


"To respect the privacy of those involved, we will not publicly share any further specifics of the event. We prefer to communicate directly with our customers to address concerns and feedback regarding their travel experience."

"No further action" was taken after questioning Makhzoomi, an FBI spokeswoman said.

Makhzoomi says he hasn't received an apology from Southwest since he got kicked off the April 6 flight.

"All I want is an apology today," Makhzoomi said. "We as a people, Iraqi, American, Iranian, we share one thing in common, and that is our dignity. If someone tries to take that away from us, we should fight but not with aggression, with knowledge and education. One must stand for his principle."



Muslim in America 01:34

'I felt oppressed'

Getting escorted off the plane was only the beginning, Makhzoomi said.

From, there, he said, the situation only got worse.

"The guy who came and pulled me from the plane, he took me to the jet bridge, I believe he worked with Southwest and I must say he was aggressive in the way he treated me. He was not very nice. He tried to speak to me in Arabic, but I couldn't understand his Arabic, so I asked him to speak to me in English," Makhzoomi said. "I felt oppressed. I was afraid. He said, 'You seem that you were having a serious conversation on the phone. Who were you talking to?' "

Makhzoomi told him he had been speaking with his uncle and showed him the video of the dinner with Ban Ki-moon.

According to Makhzoomi, the man responded, "Why are you talking in Arabic? You know the environment is very dangerous."

Then, Makhzoomi said, dogs came and sniffed his bag, someone searched him at the gate and took his wallet, and FBI agents escorted him away.

He says one of the agents asked a question that surprised him: "You need to be very honest with us with what you said about the martyrs. Tell us everything you know about the martyrs.'

"The moment that she said that, I told her I never said that word, I only said insha'Allah."

The questioning soon ended.

"Southwest will not fly you back," the agent said, according to Makhzoomi. "You may go."

'New normal' for Muslims?

Makhzoomi said Southwest gave him a refund, and he booked a flight home on Delta. By the time he returned to Oakland, he was so shaken he took to his bed and slept for days.

Then, he contacted the Council on American-Islamic Relations. The organization says it's the latest sign of an alarming trend.

"It's frightening on an individual level. This story is frightening when it's a singular incident," CAIR representative Zahra Billoo said, "and it's problematic that there's numerous complaints against Southwest and others this year. This is just the new normal for Muslims while flying."

Southwest says its primary focus is safety.

 

"We wouldn't remove a passenger from a flight without a collaborative decision rooted in established procedures," the airline said. "Southwest neither condones nor tolerates discrimination of any kind. Our company could not survive if we believed otherwise. In fact, a cursory view of our workforce, as well as our expansive, multicultural customer base, is a reliable indicator that we exalt and appreciate diversity."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/us/southwest-muslim-passenger-removed/index.html

 

 

This is some kind of bullshit. That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

yes reporting 1 side of a story and making accusations as if they are truth before knowing what actually happened is BS  and really needs to stop -  i know many media outlets get more traffic and viewership by reporting drama and contreversy but this s just crazy-   lets find out the other side of the story 1st  -  then again Arabic speaking people have never highjacked planes and or killed people on them before-  oh wait  maybe they have 1 or 2 times

I don't get why the hell you think kicking him off was even fair. Is every arabic-speaking person now going to suddenly hijack a plane?



 

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hershel_layton said:
Dunban67 said:

yes reporting 1 side of a story and making accusations as if they are truth before knowing what actually happened is BS  and really needs to stop -  i know many media outlets get more traffic and viewership by reporting drama and contreversy but this s just crazy-   lets find out the other side of the story 1st  -  then again Arabic speaking people have never highjacked planes and or killed people on them before-  oh wait  maybe they have 1 or 2 times

I don't get why the hell you think kicking him off was even fair. Is every arabic-speaking person now going to suddenly hijack a plane?

we don t know if it was fair ornot-  because we don t know both sides of the story-  so don t put words in my mouth that i never said-

there is always another side of the story- we just don t  gget to hear it or hear it objectivly-   the other side of the story may or may not have merrit but the public may never know if it is not freely told

plenty of english speaking americans of all races creeds ect have been treated ubfarly or wirse at airports many times so it s not like it only happens to certain types of people



Magetto said:
Normchacho said:

I was going to stay out of this, but are you being sarcastic?

 

Never in Europe has any extremist group taken advantage of a country in chaos to push it's own ideology and bring violence and death to people both at home, and abroad.

Not once.

Nope.

Nah.

http://www.history.co.uk/study-topics/history-of-ww2/nazi-germany

 

You almost perfectly summerized Germany in the lead up to WWII.

 

Oh you're talking about that country that caused a lot of trouble around the world  over 70 years ago which has now transformed itself into being a country with one if the lowest crime stats in the world.

 

Yeah that's just like these war torn middle Eastern countries that still continue to cause trouble around the world for the past 30 years with no sign of it getting any better...

This. This is why this conversation cannot be constructive. You think the difference between Germany and the middle east is the race of people living there.

The difference, is that the middle east is still in turmoul. It's a land ruled by dictators that show little to know regard for the welfare of their people. And that's when they haven't been destroyed by foreign armies, be it the U.S. or the Soviets. It's also currently in the middle of a struggle between the traditional and the modern. A struggle that has engulfed many areas of the world.

Think of Meiji period Japan.



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Normchacho said:
Magetto said:

 

Oh you're talking about that country that caused a lot of trouble around the world  over 70 years ago which has now transformed itself into being a country with one if the lowest crime stats in the world.

 

Yeah that's just like these war torn middle Eastern countries that still continue to cause trouble around the world for the past 30 years with no sign of it getting any better...

This. This is why this conversation cannot be constructive. You think the difference between Germany and the middle east is the race of people living there.

The difference, is that the middle east is still in turmoul. It's a land ruled by dictators that show little to know regard for the welfare of their people. And that's when they haven't been destroyed by foreign armies, be it the U.S. or the Soviets. It's also currently in the middle of a struggle between the traditional and the modern. A struggle that has engulfed many areas of the world.

Think of Meiji period Japan.

Adding on, it's hard to advance when Syria is still in a civil war because Al-Assad is a prick.

 

As for Palestine, iraq, etc etc, it's the leaders. They're horrible people. Most Palestinians and Israelis want a 2 state solution(or equality), you know that, right? the leader of Palestine is a piece of scum. Whenever I visit Palestine, the only times I hear his name is when people curse his name.



 

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