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Why can't women be on the front line?

They're physically not fit. 62 32.29%
 
They can do it if trained properly. 102 53.13%
 
That's not women's duty. 12 6.25%
 
I'm weak so I can't fat... 16 8.33%
 
Total:192
Goatseye on 08 April 2016
Jumpin said:
If the best your army can manage in a 1.5K run is 9:40 minutes, then no one in your army is fit for front line combat.

What army?



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Goatseye on 08 April 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
Goatseye said:

ISIS is not a state, that's why I categorized the tumult in the Middle East "Armed Conflict". I didn't ignore anything.

Secondly, like any law, international laws can be broken and will be broken. And that's why we have International Court of Justice. 

You can pretend it's not a war all you want, doesn't make it true...

I don't have to friend, international law don't call internal conflicts or government vs paramilitary groups, war. It's all semantics meu amigo.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.



Skratchy on 08 April 2016

I wonder how many of the guys responding to this, are just big fat asses who hang out in front of a monitor all day long?



Aeolus451 on 08 April 2016
Ka-pi96 said:
Goatseye said:

ISIS is not a state, that's why I categorized the tumult in the Middle East "Armed Conflict". I didn't ignore anything.

Secondly, like any law, international laws can be broken and will be broken. And that's why we have International Court of Justice. 

You can pretend it's not a war all you want, doesn't make it true...

Goats just likes to be silly... I don't  why he's bothering to debate about it. War is war. It's not something that's defined by any international court or international law.  

Just in case, you (goats) want to reply about it. Here's this bit for your viewing pleasure.

war

  (wôr)

n.
1.
a. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
b. The period of such conflict.
c. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.
2.
a. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.
b. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious: the war againstacid rain.
intr.v. warred, war·ring, wars
1. To wage or carry on warfare.
2. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.

Idiom:

at war
In an active state of conflict or contention.


Kotastic on 08 April 2016

I love how a topic about women's situations are being discussed by predominantly male users.



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Goatseye on 08 April 2016
Kotastic said:
I love how a topic about women's situations are being discussed by predominantly male users.

It's about military service as well. I bet you love that most users here discussing it predominantly civilians.



Goatseye on 08 April 2016
Aeolus451 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

You can pretend it's not a war all you want, doesn't make it true...

Goats just likes to be silly... I don't  why he's bothering to debate about it. War is war. It's not something that's defined by any international court or international law.  

Just in case, you (goats) want to reply about it. Here's this bit for your viewing pleasure.

Reading and comprehension is something I see you don't value much.

Anyway, have a good one Aeolus...451!



Aeolus451 on 09 April 2016
Goatseye said:
Aeolus451 said:

Goats just likes to be silly... I don't  why he's bothering to debate about it. War is war. It's not something that's defined by any international court or international law.  

Just in case, you (goats) want to reply about it. Here's this bit for your viewing pleasure.

Reading and comprehension is something I see you don't value much.

Anyway, have a good one Aeolus...451!

Ah, there you go again. I can read just fine. Your pic/gif is dead in your sig, btw



greenmedic88 on 09 April 2016

By a show of hands here, who actually has an armed forces service record?

Clearly we have some pretty strong opinions here, but I'm a lot more likely to push those opinions belonging to those who don't have any firsthand experience to the back of the line, if not gloss over them entirely.

The front half of my service was largely in integrated/coed units, from BCT to AIT, Airborne school, my first two assignments, etc. so I have a better grasp of what this entails on a practical, functional level than any armchair soldiers or pseudo academics.

I'm going to withhold my personal opinions here until I hear something relevant and intelligent.

We could probably start with the two sets of physical standards for men and women service members as far as the differences go to say nothing of the different mindsets or other differences between men and women.

In favor of the coed units, I would probably look first to the IDF. If we have any women or men who have served in the IDF, I would highly value their opinions and impressions in this discussion.



SkepticallyMinded on 09 April 2016
ArchangelMadzz said:
SkepticallyMinded said:

Here's the thing though, standards set minimum requirements. If all the male candidates have higher scores than the females then the females should never have an opportunity. Instead, we'll have lawsuits. Female candidates will claim gender bias when passed up over and over again when their male counterparts best them and point to passing the standards as their argument. 

"Your honor, all of these women passed the fitness tests and none of them were granted the opportunity to serve in this unit. Clearly there is deep pathological sexism in the military."

..

If a female can pass the current standard what is the issue?

Not sure what exactly you're confused about here? Same reason merely being qualified doesn't land you a job offer. You have to be the appropriate candidate for the position and that isn't merely based upon competence. Competence only gets you to the table to interview, same principle here. Superior candidates should win out over inferior candidates and unfortunately in tests of strength and spatial intelligence the women just cannot compete.