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Why can't women be on the front line?

They're physically not fit. 62 32.29%
 
They can do it if trained properly. 102 53.13%
 
That's not women's duty. 12 6.25%
 
I'm weak so I can't fat... 16 8.33%
 
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Baryonyx said:

The women i served with were fit and strong enough for combat in the front lines. Woman can't do this and that is an attitude that should end, it's basically Gender-discrimination. Even the viking-women were warriors equal to men. This thread should be deleted right now. It's full of ignorance and hate and no mod should allow this ignorant-discrimination. Women got their own advantages that is as valuable as the advantages men have, even in war and in the front-lines, as long as the women just as the men managed to pass through the training and the test's, they have earned the rights equally with the men. The end.

Can we at least have a discussion?



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Aura7541 said:
Aeolus451 said:

You're completely wrong. 60lbs of gear is the minumal amount they carry. http://www.protonex.com/blog/what-do-soldiers-carry-and-whats-its-weight/ 

Look the shit up from other sources if you don't believe me. 

And when you're on the front lines, you also need to have the ability to carry other people in case they get injured. It's not just a matter of being able to carry X pounds of equipment.

That's also a good point.  



The truth is most of us wimpy gamers wouldn't stand a chance against a highly trained military woman.



gatito said:
The truth is most of us wimpy gamers wouldn't stand a chance against a highly trained military woman.

Oooh sh*t... XD



Goatseye said:
hunter_alien said:

Fine with me. If they are able to do all that then I have nothing against it. But that is the point. They should not drop in any shape, way or form the requirements just to be politically correct. War is never politically correct. There might be some psychological factors as well, but as someone already pointed out earlier both sexes have their pros and cons.

What's up with you guys and political correctness? Is that what you call everything that goes against your beliefs?

Read this instead of making up assumptions: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/27/army-denies-that-ranger-school-was-fixed-so-women-could-pass.html

Just to let you know, war is usually politically correct. You have to make a positive ID before you engage, you don't mistreat prisoners of war, you don't use chemical/biological weapons, etc...

Yes, that is exactly how war goes down... grow up. Pretty much everything that backs up the "reasons" of a war is usually for facade. You dont mistreat pow's? You dont use WMD's? Really? Is that what you see on news every day?

No, I wont back this claim up with any links, as a google search will give you plenty to back up my claims.



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gatito said:
The truth is most of us wimpy gamers wouldn't stand a chance against a highly trained military woman.

So, your point is what exactly with this? I have personally no intention to ever enlist, and hell, I doubt that I am fit enough at this point to even be a serious contender. The truth is that women can parttake in military activity, thats fine with me, untill they are up to the task. I wouldent bellittle a fit, and highly trained woman and choose a fat fuck of a man, just because he is a man. But it is also true that changes like these dont have to be taken hastily, as it is a problem that has many dimensions. How does a group of men react when a woman is involved. How does the woman feel surrounded mostly by man. We cannot disregard historical tendencies and face the fact tghat even if women are allowed to perform combat duty, they will probably still represent a minority in the longrun.



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hunter_alien said:
Goatseye said:

What's up with you guys and political correctness? Is that what you call everything that goes against your beliefs?

Read this instead of making up assumptions: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/27/army-denies-that-ranger-school-was-fixed-so-women-could-pass.html

Just to let you know, war is usually politically correct. You have to make a positive ID before you engage, you don't mistreat prisoners of war, you don't use chemical/biological weapons, etc...

Yes, that is exactly how war goes down... grow up. Pretty much everything that backs up the "reasons" of a war is usually for facade. You dont mistreat pow's? You dont use WMD's? Really? Is that what you see on news every day?

No, I wont back this claim up with any links, as a google search will give you plenty to back up my claims.

What war were WMD  used after the Geneva convention? 

What war as well were POW consistently mistreated systematically?

Sure you won't provide me with a link, it would get in your way.

I'm grown, thanks for the suggestion.



Goatseye said:
hunter_alien said:

Yes, that is exactly how war goes down... grow up. Pretty much everything that backs up the "reasons" of a war is usually for facade. You dont mistreat pow's? You dont use WMD's? Really? Is that what you see on news every day?

No, I wont back this claim up with any links, as a google search will give you plenty to back up my claims.

What war were WMD  used after the Geneva convention? 

What war as well were POW consistently mistreated systematically?

Sure you won't provide me with a link, it would get in your way.

I'm grown, thanks for the suggestion.

Wasnt just yesterday a chemical attack in Allepo? Isnt HRW attacking the US, its allies and pretty much every nation of mistreating POW's? But just for fun, here, some of the first findings:

http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-carries-out-chemical-weapon-attack-syrian-army-state-news-agency-444213?rm=eu

https://www.rt.com/news/338847-shocking-images-sheikh-maqsood/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/12/09/usa-and-torture-history-hypocrisy

These were literally the first results that I came upon. But I am sure you wont need a "let me google it for you" link if you want more.



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SkepticallyMinded said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
I sometimes wonder how people's train of thought can be so.. illogical.

If a human being, man or woman can pass the fitness tests as they are they should be able to fight. Why is this issue made out to be more complicated than that?

Here's the thing though, standards set minimum requirements. If all the male candidates have higher scores than the females then the females should never have an opportunity. Instead, we'll have lawsuits. Female candidates will claim gender bias when passed up over and over again when their male counterparts best them and point to passing the standards as their argument. 

"Your honor, all of these women passed the fitness tests and none of them were granted the opportunity to serve in this unit. Clearly there is deep pathological sexism in the military."

..

If a female can pass the current standard what is the issue?



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2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

hunter_alien said:
Goatseye said:

What war were WMD  used after the Geneva convention? 

What war as well were POW consistently mistreated systematically?

Sure you won't provide me with a link, it would get in your way.

I'm grown, thanks for the suggestion.

Wasnt just yesterday a chemical attack in Allepo? Isnt HRW attacking the US, its allies and pretty much every nation of mistreating POW's? But just for fun, here, some of the first findings:

http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-carries-out-chemical-weapon-attack-syrian-army-state-news-agency-444213?rm=eu

https://www.rt.com/news/338847-shocking-images-sheikh-maqsood/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/12/09/usa-and-torture-history-hypocrisy

These were literally the first results that I came upon. But I am sure you wont need a "let me google it for you" link if you want more.

The catch here is war. US is fighting guerillas, not nations. No war was declared.

US is doing the same thing in the mountains of Pakistan, where is the war? Is US at war with Syria and Iraq?