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Why can't women be on the front line?

They're physically not fit. 62 32.29%
 
They can do it if trained properly. 102 53.13%
 
That's not women's duty. 12 6.25%
 
I'm weak so I can't fat... 16 8.33%
 
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outlawauron on 08 April 2016
Aeolus451 said:
Goatseye said:

The heaviest piece of equipment issued to a GI is the body armor.

Weighs 16lb but the weight is distributed when worn and after 4 months of intensive physical training it won't be an issue.

M4 is light, ammo cartridges are light, etc...

Nowadays most movements on the battlefield are done mechanically, be it aerial or terrestrial.

This topic is only debatable if you're ignorant about US military or bias against women.

Oh you're being silly. It's not about how one piece of equipment weighs but the total amount. That's what matters. If you think soldiers just ride around in cozy jeeps all day from point A to point B, you're wrong. 

Women have a hard time keeping up with males with no gear. Imagine if you strap them up with 60 lbs to 138 lbs of gear and see if they can keep up. The vast majority can't. There's some women that can but they are the exception and not the standard of a average female soldier. 

I'm all for equality but I'm a realist also. Women are not equals to men physically. That doesn't mean they shouldn't fight on the front lines but let's not pretend that they're equal to the guys either. Give 'em lighter load outs and different roles than just a standard grunt. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that already happens, doesn't it? 



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Aeolus451 on 08 April 2016
outlawauron said:
Aeolus451 said:

Oh you're being silly. It's not about how one piece of equipment weighs but the total amount. That's what matters. If you think soldiers just ride around in cozy jeeps all day from point A to point B, you're wrong. 

Women have a hard time keeping up with males with no gear. Imagine if you strap them up with 60 lbs to 138 lbs of gear and see if they can keep up. The vast majority can't. There's some women that can but they are the exception and not the standard of a average female soldier. 

I'm all for equality but I'm a realist also. Women are not equals to men physically. That doesn't mean they shouldn't fight on the front lines but let's not pretend that they're equal to the guys either. Give 'em lighter load outs and different roles than just a standard grunt. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that already happens, doesn't it? 

I'm talking about different roles as in scouts, snipers, spies or use them in guerrilla type of tactics. I believe they are put in mainly support roles.



Aeolus451 on 08 April 2016
Goatseye said:
Aeolus451 said:

Oh you're being silly. It's not about how one piece of equipment weighs but the total amount. That's what matters. If you think soldiers just ride around in cozy jeeps all day from point A to point B, you're wrong. 

Women have a hard time keeping up with males with no gear. Imagine if you strap them up with 60 lbs to 138 lbs of gear and see if they can keep up. The vast majority can't. There's some women that can but they are the exception and not the standard of a average female soldier. 

I'm all for equality but I'm a realist also. Women are not equals to men physically. That doesn't mean they shouldn't fight on the front lines but let's not pretend that they're equal to the guys either. Give 'em lighter load outs and different roles than just a standard grunt. 

Who said that women are equal to men phisically? I said in my earlier statements that, if trained they cen meet combat readiness.

The video that you showed, displayed an exception to the rule. Not every soldier carries a SAW and drums of ammo with himself in Afghatnistan.

There's a reason why mechanized units were mostly in Iraq and not Afghanistan. You have to have kind of specialized units to fight in Afghanistan, like: 10 Mountain and Airborne units. You achieve that specialization through years of training. No soldier was born one.

You implied that they can carry whatever guys can.

Did you you not see the part where I put 60 lbs to 138 lbs? From the minimal amount of weight they have to carry to the extreme? Women alot of trouble with just the 60 lbs and having to run whatever miles the guys have to. 



hunter_alien on 08 April 2016
Goatseye said:
hunter_alien said:

Agreed. I understand that Kurdish women are hell of a fighters, but in a modern army, where selectiveness is key, you can only accept what is proven as being the best.

That means those "best" have to go through selective training right? Right?

You have 4 months to go through basic training. Two is boot camp and two are your military occupational training.

Do you believe that in 4 months, women can't be trained to do 50+ push ups, 60+ sit ups and run 2 miles under 15mn?

That's your combat readiness physical requisition.

Fine with me. If they are able to do all that then I have nothing against it. But that is the point. They should not drop in any shape, way or form the requirements just to be politically correct. War is never politically correct. There might be some psychological factors as well, but as someone already pointed out earlier both sexes have their pros and cons.



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Goatseye on 08 April 2016
Aeolus451 said:
Goatseye said:

Who said that women are equal to men phisically? I said in my earlier statements that, if trained they cen meet combat readiness.

The video that you showed, displayed an exception to the rule. Not every soldier carries a SAW and drums of ammo with himself in Afghatnistan.

There's a reason why mechanized units were mostly in Iraq and not Afghanistan. You have to have kind of specialized units to fight in Afghanistan, like: 10 Mountain and Airborne units. You achieve that specialization through years of training. No soldier was born one.

You implied that they can carry whatever guys can.

Did you you not see the part where I put 60 lbs to 138 lbs? From the minimal amount of weight they have to carry to the extreme? Women alot of trouble with just the 60 lbs and having to run whatever miles the guys have to. 

60lb of what? 

This is your regular combat uniform:

Body armor: 16lb

M4 Carbine: 6.30lb

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Aeolus451 on 08 April 2016
Goatseye said:
Aeolus451 said:

You implied that they can carry whatever guys can.

Did you you not see the part where I put 60 lbs to 138 lbs? From the minimal amount of weight they have to carry to the extreme? Women alot of trouble with just the 60 lbs and having to run whatever miles the guys have to. 

60lb of what? 

This is your regular combat uniform:

Body armor: 16lb

M4 Carbine: 6.30lb

Camelback with water

You're completely wrong. 60lbs of gear is the minumal amount they carry. http://www.protonex.com/blog/what-do-soldiers-carry-and-whats-its-weight/ 

Look the shit up from other sources if you don't believe me. 



Goatseye on 08 April 2016
hunter_alien said:
Goatseye said:

That means those "best" have to go through selective training right? Right?

You have 4 months to go through basic training. Two is boot camp and two are your military occupational training.

Do you believe that in 4 months, women can't be trained to do 50+ push ups, 60+ sit ups and run 2 miles under 15mn?

That's your combat readiness physical requisition.

Fine with me. If they are able to do all that then I have nothing against it. But that is the point. They should not drop in any shape, way or form the requirements just to be politically correct. War is never politically correct. There might be some psychological factors as well, but as someone already pointed out earlier both sexes have their pros and cons.

What's up with you guys and political correctness? Is that what you call everything that goes against your beliefs?

Read this instead of making up assumptions: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/27/army-denies-that-ranger-school-was-fixed-so-women-could-pass.html

Just to let you know, war is usually politically correct. You have to make a positive ID before you engage, you don't mistreat prisoners of war, you don't use chemical/biological weapons, etc...



Skratchy on 08 April 2016

Why are we STILL so hung up on gender stereotypes? Obviously chicks can kick ass
They wanna fight? Let them fight. Plenty of the men who enlist aren't prepared either. Forget about genitalia already.



Aura7541 on 08 April 2016
Aeolus451 said:
Goatseye said:

60lb of what? 

This is your regular combat uniform:

Body armor: 16lb

M4 Carbine: 6.30lb

Camelback with water

You're completely wrong. 60lbs of gear is the minumal amount they carry. http://www.protonex.com/blog/what-do-soldiers-carry-and-whats-its-weight/ 

Look the shit up from other sources if you don't believe me. 

And when you're on the front lines, you also need to have the ability to carry other people in case they get injured. It's not just a matter of being able to carry X pounds of equipment.



AlfredoTurkey on 08 April 2016

If a woman can compete against the men and best them? Then they should be able to fight. But the standards should be uniform. If they were to lower the bar JUST for women to compete, that would be a bad thing.