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Illusion said:
barneystinson69 said:
                                         

I agree (at least with the immigration part). I'm not going to respond to anything else, as its not on topic, but immigration isn't the answer to your problems. Its there simply to lower wages within a country, and cause tention. I have no issue with muslims who integrate and respect western value's, but you can't just keep bringing them in and expecting them to integrate. If we really need immigrants, bring a few in, and that's it. Germany's stupid open gate policy started the refugee crisis, nothing else.

I have to respectfully disagree with you about my post not being on topic.  If we want to get to the true source of the problem in the video then I believe my post is the yoke of it.  All people are doing is addressing the symptoms of the problem (ie. the Muslims) but we're beating around the bush on what has enabled our leaders to become so deaf to the needs of the people in the first place.  We didn't get to this dire state from just a couple of bad decisions by Merkel: Europeans have been enabling this by giving governments more and more power over their lives for the past 50 years.  If you want to stop these migrant rapes and abuses then your real enemy are the socialist governments who are enabling it but be prepared for one nasty fight because these governments will turn against people like you and me before they even think about changing their policies.  We will basically need an uprising of the silent majority and a complete overhaul of western political systems before we can even start to address the Muslim problem.

Of course. I'm not a big fan of the left either, especially with their immigration and economic policies. Essentially, I see a bad future for the next generation unless people wake up. I admit I use to be a liberal, but once you grow up, you realize this planet isn't all rainbows and gumdrops...



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Poliwrathlord said:
Goatseye said:

So to you, everyone that professes Islamic faith is against Western culture.

Can we say that a lot of VGC users here are against Western culture? Against videogame?

I'm not Muslim btw but if anyone here that is one, tell me why you're against Western values and videogames.

I'd say by and large that Islamic culture, and a lot of Muslims are against the west's values. Islam is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-democracy, anti-freedom of speech, anti-west, anti-apostasy, and not very accepting of other cultures (unlike the West). Muslims from North Africa and the Middle East are like what I just described. With Salah Abdelsalam being born in Europe, I'd say that a lot of Muslims from Europe now hold the view I just stated.

With that being said, there is a minority of Muslims who are not against Western values. Most Muslims living in America are actually pro-west and actually hold our values, but that is a very small number of Muslims in regards to whole number of adherents of Islam.

 Pretty much everything you have said is bs. It is not only bs, it's hate speech.

 

The west was pretty much built on anti freedom. Colonisation, slavery etc etc. That is as anti anything as you can get as it killed millions. To date nothing in the history of mankind has killed as many people as the western world exploits. 

 

Secondly, Islam isn't anti freedom of speech. They're are Muslims that are and they will say it, just like any other faith or culture. The religion itself doesn't say forbid it. 

 

Thirdly, it's not anti West. Muslims aren't all in the east, they are everywhere. It's like saying every white person is anti east, anti brown and anti black. Bs blanket statements. 

 

Muslims are not accepting of other cultures?! During the Ottoman Empire, the Catholic led countries in Europe had banned Jewish people from worship. When the Ottomans took over they gave the Jewish people back the freedom of worship and building synagogues.

 

When Ibn Batuta discovered America he traded and returned. 

 

You forget, that no one in the history of civilisation has killed as many people as the west due to cultural differences. Native Americans, Aborigines, Chinese, Indians, Africans and the list goes on. 

 

Salah Abdelsalam is an idiot for putting himself in such a situation where he had to make such a decision. Most the Muslims would agree that you and extremists are wrong in your understanding of muslims and their faith. 

 

The only people who believe Islam to be what you say are Islamophobes and those creating the problem - the terrorists themselves. I.e. You guys support each others arguments whilst the rest of the Muslim world watches in horror how the blind lead the deaf and the dumb. 



the-pi-guy said:
Poliwrathlord said:

I'd say by and large that Islamic culture, and a lot of Muslims are against the west's values. Islam is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-democracy, anti-freedom of speech, anti-west, anti-apostasy, and not very accepting of other cultures (unlike the West). Muslims from North Africa and the Middle East are like what I just described. With Salah Abdelsalam being born in Europe, I'd say that a lot of Muslims from Europe now hold the view I just stated.

With that being said, there is a minority of Muslims who are not against Western values. Most Muslims living in America are actually pro-west and actually hold our values, but that is a very small number of Muslims in regards to whole number of adherents of Islam.

Yet so much of that is exactly what the west was like just a few hundred years ago.  

And guess what, we've actually changed with time! Islam's practices on the other hand are principles 100s of not 1000s of years out of date!



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barneystinson69 said:
Fei-Hung said:

 

That's how dumb you are. That is not Sharia law. That's individuals making rules and laws in their country. It has nothing to do with Sharia law. 

Then why does it happen throughout the middle east? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Its certainly "allowed" by sharia law. But I'm sure I'm just dumb now...

 

Yes you are. Just because it happens in Muslim countries doesn't make it Sharia law. Arabs are some of the world's biggest gamblers. Dubai is a safehaven for crooks and home to offshore banking for some of the world's most corrupt individuals. A whole bunch of things which are entirely wrong in Sharia law yet it happens. 

 

Beheading and stoning are Arab cultural punishments, they've existed long before Islam. E.g. New born girls would be buried at birth. Mothers if they kept giving birth to girls could also be buried. Go read a book called the Biography of Jerusalem. The middleeast has always been screwed up. It puts GoT to shame. The only things that brought some calm into those regions are the Abrahamic faiths. 



Fei-Hung said:
barneystinson69 said:

Then why does it happen throughout the middle east? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Its certainly "allowed" by sharia law. But I'm sure I'm just dumb now...

 

Yes you are. Just because it happens in Muslim countries doesn't make it Sharia law. Arabs are some of the world's biggest gamblers. Dubai is a safehaven for crooks and home to offshore banking for some of the world's most corrupt individuals. A whole bunch of things which are entirely wrong in Sharia law yet it happens. 

 

Beheading and stoning are Arab cultural punishments, they've existed long before Islam. E.g. New born girls would be buried at birth. Mothers if they kept giving birth to girls could also be buried. Go read a book called the Biography of Jerusalem. The middleeast has always been screwed up. It puts GoT to shame. The only things that brought some calm into those regions are the Abrahamic faiths. 

So its just part of their culture? Wow, that makes me feel so much better...

And why only now do you say the middle east is a shithole? I thought you were on the side against me.



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the-pi-guy said:
Poliwrathlord said:

I'd say by and large that Islamic culture, and a lot of Muslims are against the west's values. Islam is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-democracy, anti-freedom of speech, anti-west, anti-apostasy, and not very accepting of other cultures (unlike the West). Muslims from North Africa and the Middle East are like what I just described. With Salah Abdelsalam being born in Europe, I'd say that a lot of Muslims from Europe now hold the view I just stated.

With that being said, there is a minority of Muslims who are not against Western values. Most Muslims living in America are actually pro-west and actually hold our values, but that is a very small number of Muslims in regards to whole number of adherents of Islam.

Yet so much of that is exactly what the west was like just a few hundred years ago.  

Yeah, a few hundred years ago. Gues what we did in that few hundred years; eolve our society. A few hundred years is a long time in the history of human civilizations. 

The Islamic world has not evolved, an probably will not, because of the the backward thinking, 11th century Sharia Law that ISIS and Saudi Arabia want to make law-of-the-land, and also because even moderate Muslim states, e.g. Turkey, still censor free speech, a sacred right in Western culture.



barneystinson69 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Yet so much of that is exactly what the west was like just a few hundred years ago.  

And guess what, we've actually changed with time! Islam's practices on the other hand are principles 100s of not 1000s of years out of date!

 

Which principles are 1000 years out of date? That's just opinion and nothing else. Just because something is modern it doesn't make it right or better. 

 

Your Islamophobic opinions are so out of touch with reality, you don't realise you are making things worse. Your logic is to label, critisize, accuse and hate about 1.6billion people because you have misunderstood their religion. A religion which you most likely have learnt mostly about through the media, terrorists, and anti Islam groups. 

 

Then you wish things get better and wonder why they don't. 

 

It's like some of you guys are deliberately trying to make enemies when you could be making friends. 



Poliwrathlord said:
the-pi-guy said:

Yet so much of that is exactly what the west was like just a few hundred years ago.  

Yeah, a few hundred years ago. Gues what we did in that few hundred years; eolve our society. A few hundred years is a long time in the history of human civilizations. 

The Islamic world has not evolved, an probably will not, because of the the backward thinking, 11th century Sharia Law that ISIS and Saudi Arabia want to make law-of-the-land, and also because even moderate Muslim states, e.g. Turkey, still censor free speech, a sacred right in Western culture.

 

Not sure the western world had evolved. We've had a huge recession that put millions out of jobs and  homes thanks to corporate greed, we took part in an illegal war, our biggest industries are porn, alcohol and arms and we sell to anyone to make a buck including the enemy of the state. 

 

In Britain we are making the rich richer and the poor poorer. 

 

Just now we've seen corruption in Europe, the biggest pedophile case in Britain is still trying to get buried as it involved politicians etc, Donald Trump is a thing and the list can go on. How exactly is that evolved? The only thing that has changed its the art style, everything else remains the same, we are still living in countries filedq with corruption, violence and scandals, the only difference is we can hide it better and Bury our secrets deeper. 

 



Goatseye said:
Poliwrathlord said:

Tolerance of a culutre that is against western values is not the way to go. 

Delinquents should be dealt with. I've seen some of you guys only report cases where immigrants or alleged refugees commit crimes.

I was left to wonder if in those countries only one or two criminal acts happened for the past year; or we're just highlighting what "foreigners" do?

Honeslty in some european countries, some crimrates are like 10 : 1 done by immigrants, even if they are less than 10% of the population.

It can "feel" like some of these crims basically only are commited by immigrants & refugees.

Maybe its just the "news" reporting, but yeah... it honestly feels like that sometimes.

There are huge problems in europe with integration of muslims from the middle east, its like they dont want to be part of our society.



Poliwrathlord said:

"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society"

Aristotle 

Aristotle never said that. It's a fake quote invented by neo-nazis.