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Nem said:

I'm pretty sure this claim isn't true. SEGA games only came to the PC much later than the console versions.

 

Yeah i'm double checking. 2 years later for panzer dragoon, 3 years later for virtua fighter, Sonic cd 3 years. I don't think that is comparable to what people are angry about with microsoft. 

These were also software releases that didn't get much advertisement at all.

BasilZero said:

 

This.

 

Back then it wasnt such a issue at all.

 

The reason why there's a backlash is the same reason why people call 911 when they cant even get on Facebook. People are stupid.

I don't agree with this at all. People weren't stupid back then, nor was SEGA. Having a gaming PC wasn't a common thing back then, to even be able to run those games. Their releases weren't advertised and came 1 to 3 years later when no one cared anymore cause there were newer and more exciting things coming.

Now, i will agree that theres lots of entitled and outspoken people today, especially the younger ones, but what Microsoft is doing with the X1 is totally different. Its releasing exclusives simultaneously on the PC. And that isn't a smart strategy at all unless they plan to abandon the system, because anyone informed who has a PC, will have no reason to buy an X1. The system also loses value in the eyes of the average consumer when it loses its diferentiating factors.

So... its not all about QQ, people ate this crap before. No, they didn't. And Sega didnt try anything of the sort.

How much people are actually informed? How much of those informed people even have a PC capable of running those games without problems. Judging by the sales of X1 i would say not many



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oniyide said:
Nem said:

I'm pretty sure this claim isn't true. SEGA games only came to the PC much later than the console versions.

 

Yeah i'm double checking. 2 years later for panzer dragoon, 3 years later for virtua fighter, Sonic cd 3 years. I don't think that is comparable to what people are angry about with microsoft. 

These were also software releases that didn't get much advertisement at all.

I don't agree with this at all. People weren't stupid back then, nor was SEGA. Having a gaming PC wasn't a common thing back then, to even be able to run those games. Their releases weren't advertised and came 1 to 3 years later when no one cared anymore cause there were newer and more exciting things coming.

Now, i will agree that theres lots of entitled and outspoken people today, especially the younger ones, but what Microsoft is doing with the X1 is totally different. Its releasing exclusives simultaneously on the PC. And that isn't a smart strategy at all unless they plan to abandon the system, because anyone informed who has a PC, will have no reason to buy an X1. The system also loses value in the eyes of the average consumer when it loses its diferentiating factors.

So... its not all about QQ, people ate this crap before. No, they didn't. And Sega didnt try anything of the sort.

How much people are actually informed? How much of those informed people even have a PC capable of running those games without problems. Judging by the sales of X1 i would say not many

We are in the era of Information, people are well informed if they will purchase something, People are not Retard, because of that Microsoft, changed the initial Xbox's Plan.



Swordmasterman said:
oniyide said:

How much people are actually informed? How much of those informed people even have a PC capable of running those games without problems. Judging by the sales of X1 i would say not many

We are in the era of Information, people are well informed if they will purchase something, People are not Retard, because of that Microsoft, changed the initial Xbox's Plan.

People also dont care. Not really. They can get information easier, but how much of these people even follow video game news like that? How much of those 20mil? Its not like the X1 is flopping. MS changed their plan because the plan wasnt working. it that simple.



oniyide said:
Swordmasterman said:

We are in the era of Information, people are well informed if they will purchase something, People are not Retard, because of that Microsoft, changed the initial Xbox's Plan.

People also dont care. Not really. They can get information easier, but how much of these people even follow video game news like that? How much of those 20mil? Its not like the X1 is flopping. MS changed their plan because the plan wasnt working. it that simple.

They changed their plan because the Consumes were well Informed and they had a lot of Pre-orders Canceled, and isn't a Flop, but is selling less than the last year, they have  a YoY Drop, a Big one until now, because of that Phill Spencer, came to say that there will not have a Xbox One.5, because  even with Price Cut, the Xbox One Wasn't selling more.

People are well informed, no one purchase such a Expensive product that is intended to last Several years, without  make research, only if the person will purchase all the Products avaliable anyway.



ironmanDX said:
The internet.

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I wouldn't be surprised if 95% of Xbox gamers didn't know about the recent commitment to PC/Windows10. if they did would they really care? Most probably not. Not everything discussed on this niche sales forum or even IGNs comments section matters to the general gaming public.



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teigaga said:
ironmanDX said:
The internet.

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I wouldn't be surprised if 95% of Xbox gamers didn't know about the recent commitment to PC/Windows10. if they did would they really care? Most probably not. Not everything discussed on this niche sales forum or even IGNs comments section matters to the general gaming public.

LOL, so you think that a Console  people say that have a High Digital Attach Rate, 95% of The Users are Un-informed ?, Microsoft's Last PR, was mainly to Windows 10, PC, And all the games coming for PC, the "Integration" of PC, and Xbox, if things were like you are saying, so games would not sell at launch, they would sell more after that. people would be "Wow, they launched a new game and my friend is playing, so i will try out", People who own console, know  some Gaming News,  Atleast from  some time ago,  they maybe not know the newest ones,  but they are well informed, and Games coming for PC, already is a old thing for Microsoft, now, so i think that the Majority, already know.

Also, is hard don't know this when you get a PC Version, for free when Purchase Quantum Break.



Swordmasterman said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Given how often MicroSony makes deals with publishers for "console exclusive" versions of their games, one could easily argue there is a lot more evidence that the overlap in the two markets is a hell of a lot smaller than people make it out to be in these doom and gloom threads.

The idea that gamers who already own the console are pissed that games are coming to PC is equally baffling to me. I mean.. we already own the console, why do we care that other games are going to PC?

This isn't it, Companies launch console Exclusives for a lot of Reasons, and Launch on PC/Console, is better for the console than launch for Pc/Console/OtherConsole, they just don't want that, look at Left 4 Dead, Alan Wake, and other games that went to PC, they sold nearly the same, and some times even more than their console's Counter part, of course they would have sold more Consoles, if the game was Exclusive.

I am aware that, for example, Street Fighter V only on PS4 and PC is better for Sony than Street Fighter V on PS4, PC, and Xbone. The point is though that a PC release alongside the console release is not seen as a big deal to Microsoft or Sony. They routinely work out deals that sees a PC release alongside a game they essentially market as one of their own exclusives. "Console exclusive game", they have no problem putting that on the cover. Because they know most of the people they cater to, could not care less about a PC version.

They don't consider it a big deal. Hardcore gamers on the Internets do.



Sega was also always a pretty multi platform company. Their classics such as out run even came out on a competing platform as well as the plethora of European computers. Id go as far as to say prior to the Sega Saturn port, the PC Engine (turbogrfx16) had the best home version of Outrun and not the Master System or Mega Drive.

Other than Nintendo who mandated all software was exclusive go them, games were pretty interchangeable across the other systems. So still supporting PC releases via 3rd party publishers in the 90s want really anything out of the norm.

 

Fast forward 20 years and it has now become the expectation that games belong to a particular console and nobody else has any right to that game and it is a betrayal to port it. Personally I don't get this stance, but I grew up in the 80s, I'd imagine someone growing up in the ps2/Xbox/GameCube times would see exclusivity as a big thing.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
Swordmasterman said:

This isn't it, Companies launch console Exclusives for a lot of Reasons, and Launch on PC/Console, is better for the console than launch for Pc/Console/OtherConsole, they just don't want that, look at Left 4 Dead, Alan Wake, and other games that went to PC, they sold nearly the same, and some times even more than their console's Counter part, of course they would have sold more Consoles, if the game was Exclusive.

I am aware that, for example, Street Fighter V only on PS4 and PC is better for Sony than Street Fighter V on PS4, PC, and Xbone. The point is though that a PC release alongside the console release is not seen as a big deal to Microsoft or Sony. They routinely work out deals that sees a PC release alongside a game they essentially market as one of their own exclusives. "Console exclusive game", they have no problem putting that on the cover. Because they know most of the people they cater to, could not care less about a PC version.

They don't consider it a big deal. Hardcore gamers on the Internets do.

They don't see the Market as Irrelevant market, otherwise the Company would launch all their games for PC, and would not have any exclusive.

The thing here is that is Less Worse a game on PC, than on other Console, if No Man's Sky,  not acepted only a PS4 Version, so Sony, allowed the PC Version, to make Bussines, No Man Sky's Developers will publish the PC Version (maybe a part of the deal, 100% of the money go for the Developer, in this version), and Sony, will publish the Game Worldwide for PS4, a thing that No Man Sky's Developers, cannot afford to, they cannot publish Physical Games in a Worldwide Scale.

Microsoft, is releasing  all their games on PC, because they don't want to push Xbox One's Sales anymore, they already know that the Console Isn't selling well, and they want to Stay Relevant for the Market with the PC Releases, but this is bad for Xbox's Division, the Next Console will be damaged by those moves, no one will believe that the games will be Exclusive for Xbox Two, and it will not sell well on Launch.



Swordmasterman said:
teigaga said:

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I wouldn't be surprised if 95% of Xbox gamers didn't know about the recent commitment to PC/Windows10. if they did would they really care? Most probably not. Not everything discussed on this niche sales forum or even IGNs comments section matters to the general gaming public.

LOL, so you think that a Console  people say that have a High Digital Attach Rate, 95% of The Users are Un-informed ?, Microsoft's Last PR, was mainly to Windows 10, PC, And all the games coming for PC, the "Integration" of PC, and Xbox, if things were like you are saying, so games would not sell at launch, they would sell more after that. people would be "Wow, they launched a new game and my friend is playing, so i will try out", People who own console, know  some Gaming News,  Atleast from  some time ago,  they maybe not know the newest ones,  but they are well informed, and Games coming for PC, already is a old thing for Microsoft, now, so i think that the Majority, already know.

Also, is hard don't know this when you get a PC Version, for free when Purchase Quantum Break.

What does high digital attach rate have to do with this? I never said they were uninformed to the point of not knowing that their Xbox can also downlaod games lol. Turn on your console and the digital storefront is literally in your face telling you pre-order/download upcoming games.

Also the term "informed" should be used loosely here. People retain and notice information that matters to them. Knowing of a games existence through seeing a cool trailer, a TV spot, a review, word of mouth, a web/print advert etc is not the same as reading an article about Microsofts long term plans regarding Windows 10 and Xbox exclusives. 

Anecdotes don't prove much but I just asked my brother who actually owns an Xbox One whether he heard about Microsoft plans to move their exclusives to PC, he said no. I won't argue on this point, but I firmly believe what I said and you'll struggle to convince me otherwise as there is really no useful data on this.