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Salnax said:

Why does victory taste like ashes?

Because it can barely be called victory really.

The hopes of the 2017 crowd were pinned on Wii U getting another year of support. Clearly, that isn't happening. Hence, all that was really won was a bet on an internet forum. If you were hoping for 12 more months of software support (which honestly was never going to happen) that's a poor consolation prize.

Ultimately, we all lost.



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curl-6 said:
Salnax said:

Why does victory taste like ashes?

Because it can barely be called victory really.

The hopes of the 2017 crowd were pinned on Wii U getting another year of support. Clearly, that isn't happening. Hence, all that was really won was a bet on an internet forum. If you were hoping for 12 more months of software support (which honestly was never going to happen) that's a poor consolation prize.

Ultimately, we all lost.

Not for everyone. I merely believed it wouldn't launch this year. Maybe why victory tastes amazing for me.



RolStoppable said:
Are you guys sure that you have determined the correct winner? The news that is going around is that NX was delayed to March 2017. Delayed from a holiday launch in 2016, of course.

This thread was created because of all the arguments whether Nintendo would be going for a 2016 or 2017 launch of their next generation. Both sides of the argument were gunning for a holiday quarter launch, but in different years.

Technically, neither side is right now. But if you want to crown a winner, it would be the 2016 people. Not only is it a confirmed delay, but the 2017 main argument was that anything less than a lifecycle of five years is not going to happen or should not happen. That's why the entire issue blew up to begin with.

As always the consumate spinner.

There was almost no way they could do 2016.  If they intended 2016 it would have been a panic rush job in which the software for launch would have been absolutely thin trash or they would have been trouble with hardware issues because they did not take the proper product time to make sure there wouldn't be issues.  I said it before and i'll say it again.  Anything 2016 would have shown Nintendo to be in complete panic mode.  Potentially out of ideas and going down the drain.

This 'delay' launch to March, I called August and I still think that is a better launch window if you aren't going to do a holiday launch, still shows that they _want_ to wait until they have what they believe is the best foot forward software and hardware wise.

People who think they should launch earlier don't understand the first thing about launching a product.  Wtf good is it to launch a product that you can't actually supply.  If you can't manufacture the number of product that demand requires than you are likely to lose sales.  Despite the hit that the Nintendo brand has had it is still a known product and kids all over the world still want it.  If Nintendo can't provide it, parents will go elsewhere to provide their kids with entertainment and believe me there are plenty of places to go for it.  Kids won't care soon enough when Nintendo has nothing new, how about let's watch the next minions movie or lets play games on our snazie phones.



A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of their first breath to the moment of their last.



curl-6 said:
Salnax said:

Why does victory taste like ashes?

Because it can barely be called victory really.

The hopes of the 2017 crowd were pinned on Wii U getting another year of support. Clearly, that isn't happening. Hence, all that was really won was a bet on an internet forum. If you were hoping for 12 more months of software support (which honestly was never going to happen) that's a poor consolation prize.

Ultimately, we all lost.

No.  Clearly the belief that the NX would launch 2016 was clearly wrong.  I didn't give two shit's about the Wii U because to me it was an absolute aweful product that could not garner the right support because of it's inferior hardware.

I'll go ahead and say it.  I won against almost all of you.  Someone needs to prove to me (please so I just want to know) who said it first that Nintendo would release NX in 2017 first.  Although I could be wrong, I believe it might be me.



A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of their first breath to the moment of their last.



dharh said:
curl-6 said:

Because it can barely be called victory really.

The hopes of the 2017 crowd were pinned on Wii U getting another year of support. Clearly, that isn't happening. Hence, all that was really won was a bet on an internet forum. If you were hoping for 12 more months of software support (which honestly was never going to happen) that's a poor consolation prize.

Ultimately, we all lost.

No.  Clearly the belief that the NX would launch 2016 was clearly wrong.  I didn't give two shit's about the Wii U because to me it was an absolute aweful product that could not garner the right support because of it's inferior hardware.

I'll go ahead and say it.  I won against almost all of you.  Someone needs to prove to me (please so I just want to know) who said it first that Nintendo would release NX in 2017 first.  Although I could be wrong, I believe it might be me.

There was actually someone who mentioned about a year after the Wii U launched that it could be getting an early replacement, "I think there's a fairly big chance we could see a new Nintendo around 2016.", which is a pretty good guess in December 2013.



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I've got to say, as someone with no dog in this fight, the way some people are trying to turn this "victory" into a big deal, as though it were anything other than a blind guess, is pretty silly. This is especially true given the way that victory was last minute luck that went against Nintendo's own plans. Had I cared to participate and been on the winning side, I like to think I would have had the grace to wave it off as a no-contest or a draw.



Proud to be part of the intelligent minority :p
Enjoy your crow peeps



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pokoko said:
I've got to say, as someone with no dog in this fight, the way some people are trying to turn this "victory" into a big deal, as though it were anything other than a blind guess, is pretty silly. This is especially true given the way that victory was last minute luck that went against Nintendo's own plans. Had I cared to participate and been on the winning side, I like to think I would have had the grace to wave it off as a no-contest or a draw.

C'mon. I don't find anything bad in reveling on the victory per se. I know I would had I won. :P



Wright said:

C'mon. I don't find anything bad in reveling on the victory per se. I know I would had I won. :P

 

Unless they're reveling on it for the wrong reasons like the poster above you.



bigtakilla said:
curl-6 said:

Because it can barely be called victory really.

The hopes of the 2017 crowd were pinned on Wii U getting another year of support. Clearly, that isn't happening. Hence, all that was really won was a bet on an internet forum. If you were hoping for 12 more months of software support (which honestly was never going to happen) that's a poor consolation prize.

Ultimately, we all lost.

Not for everyone. I merely believed it wouldn't launch this year. Maybe why victory tastes amazing for me.

Pretty sure you were quite adamant on a the mythical "5th year" for Wii U that would include a new Metroid game just a few weeks ago. 

GameMaster87 I think was talking about something like 12 (lol) new Wii U titles in a 5th year.

The last "real" internal Nintendo projects for Wii U started in 2013 -- things like Splatoon. It's clear by 2014 they internally basically killed any serious support for the system and have been working on NX ever since (this is pretty much right around where Mr. Iwata starts making comments left and right about some type of unifid style game platform).

This is what I also tried to stress to people like Nem, NX launching whether it was in 2016 or 2017 was irrelevant, to make either launch date, game development for such a platform would have to begin by 2014 at the latest ... which meant bye bye Wii U. But a lot of people did not want to hear that, and that's pretty much exactly what happened and why you will be getting 1 whopping Wii U game at E3 this year (a game that isn't even predictably exclusive).