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Swordmasterman on 04 April 2016
CaptainExplosion said:
Azelover said:
Can we just paint him with a brush so we don't have to deal with him anymore?

Let's give him a title that is accurate and reducing.

Is "Crime Against Nature" an elligible title?

A Tittle for Pachter ?, he is like a Old lady house-carer, something like that would fit better for Pachter.



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nxgamerz on 04 April 2016
BraLoD said:

So Shenmue is a Sony franchise? Thank you for letting me know, Mr. Patcher!

Anyway, TLG is definitely better than anything you'll ever accomplish in your entire life, you won't ever be anywhere close to move people (in a good way) as Ueda does, so please, shut the fuck up, clean your dirty mouth to talk about TLG.

why being personal?
just because he dislike on of your favourite games and call it lame?


and that kind of games who are "lame" in the eys of the average gamer, won't sell many units, who cares.
if you like it, buy it. but don't hate on him just because he is telling how the the gaming landscape is these days...



kitler53 on 04 April 2016

title of the OP feels like bait.

in content patcher is very much right. TLG and shenmue 3 aren't going to be 10M+ sellers like uncharted or TLoU.



Swordmasterman on 04 April 2016
BraLoD said:
nxgamerz said:

why being personal?
just because he dislike on of your favourite games and call it lame?


and that kind of games who are "lame" in the eys of the average gamer, won't sell many units, who cares.
if you like it, buy it. but don't on hate on him just because he is telling the how the the gaming landscape is these days...

Why not?

The guy is a joke, he tells stuff just for the sake of being a joke, people here takes whatever he talks as the opposite is absolute truth, he has went for it and earned that reputation for himself, but he goes out to call a masterful piece of work lame to get some atention, that's beyond the line to me, thus why I'm saying he should not talk about it.

He is disrespectful, he is getting disrespectful feedback as well.

I deal with people not fond of games I love around,here every day, one example, Wright is one of the people I talk the most and he doesn't like Shadow of the Colossus, but he is not a joke, he has his opinion but it's not disrespectful trolish, and I talk to him a lot, he is a great guy.

The problem comes from Patcher himself, it is personal, he carved that path.

Forget it Bralord, is useless to argue with this guy, it seems that for him the only good thing is Mainstream, and everything that don't sell like Call of Duty, don't deserve love, and don't receive love, just a Few posts and already is this.

 

we need to Bash Anything that Pachter Says, he  is the kind of person that is Paid to give his Personal Opinion, he doesn't even make a Market Research, this is just Personal Opinion, something he saw on TV, or some Rumors that he Spread, maybe even his Personal Preference.

 

And as to why you cant argue with NXGamerz, because it will not lead to nothing, here is what he said about Final Fantasy XV

"My guess, too

This is an ps2 era game.  The gaming landscape changed.  How cares about ff anymore? Some 30 years olds nostalgics.  But ask the youth if the know what ff is and plan to play.  Not gonna happen".

Was on the thread "FFXV Team Ambition is to sell 10 Millions of units", this shows that he don't like Diversity in games, a JRPG, that already sold more than 110 Millions within 30 Years, and "People don't care anymore", this is the franchise i care the most, and i have 16 Years old, isn't youth enought for him ?.



AsGryffynn on 04 April 2016
HylianYoshi said:
OK, yep. Pachter confirmed forum shitposter.

I bet he has a GFaqs account... 



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Mike_L on 04 April 2016
kitler53 said:
title of the OP feels like bait.

in content patcher is very much right. TLG and shenmue 3 aren't going to be 10M+ sellers like uncharted or TLoU.

But... everyone knows that TLG and Shenmue 3 won't sell 10M+ so even if we ignore his "lame games" his comment is still highly redundant at best. That's no surprise though. He's been named Mr. 50% Obvious/50% Oblivious for a reason.



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 April 2016
Swordmasterman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

You do not fund a game for almost (if not fully) a decade and not expect quality in yourself and not expect profit. They will need to market the shit out of the last guardian. They cannot justify the length of its development without taking the dive. It needs to make its money back and then some or else it was just a waste of time. GTA will always sell 20-30 million copies, they are excempt from a lot of peoples arguments. Not to mention the last guardian is an exclusive, so I doubt sony is expecting final fantasy numbers (unless the game is capable of reaching such a crowd (which i doubt). Final Fantasy should make its return with enough media hype or else a huge amount of wind will be knocked out of Square Enix. Final Fantasy saved Square from going under once and they are trying to make sure lightening strikes twice.

Once again, Final Fantasy 13 Versus, was cancelled, they  had to do everything again, changes the History and  some things, changed the name for the game have a bigger budget, and the Director once stated that the Game, don't have a different budget than The Witcher 3, or Metal Gear Solid V, the game might had 100-120 Millions of Budget, i think.

The game wasnt canceled. They most likely changed the name for two reasons:

1) Making it a full Final Fantasy game instead of a side game is more fulfilling based on the development effort. Its also the first game to truly show off the new direction which the FF series is going.

2) Microsoft wanted to get their hands on the game so the only other way to make the same game  get into Microsofts hands legally was by changing the name.

Final Fantasy is the primary title of Square and for reasons beyond just business they must make sure it stays their top feature. The name was changed because it was best for business, not because it was cancelled. That short changes a decade (or more) worth of work.



nxgamerz on 05 April 2016
Swordmasterman said:
BraLoD said:

Why not?

The guy is a joke, he tells stuff just for the sake of being a joke, people here takes whatever he talks as the opposite is absolute truth, he has went for it and earned that reputation for himself, but he goes out to call a masterful piece of work lame to get some atention, that's beyond the line to me, thus why I'm saying he should not talk about it.

He is disrespectful, he is getting disrespectful feedback as well.

I deal with people not fond of games I love around,here every day, one example, Wright is one of the people I talk the most and he doesn't like Shadow of the Colossus, but he is not a joke, he has his opinion but it's not disrespectful trolish, and I talk to him a lot, he is a great guy.

The problem comes from Patcher himself, it is personal, he carved that path.

Forget it Bralord, is useless to argue with this guy, it seems that for him the only good thing is Mainstream, and everything that don't sell like Call of Duty, don't deserve love, and don't receive love, just a Few posts and already is this.

 

we need to Bash Anything that Pachter Says, he  is the kind of person that is Paid to give his Personal Opinion, he doesn't even make a Market Research, this is just Personal Opinion, something he saw on TV, or some Rumors that he Spread, maybe even his Personal Preference.

 

And as to why you cant argue with NXGamerz, because it will not lead to nothing, here is what he said about Final Fantasy XV

"My guess, too

This is an ps2 era game.  The gaming landscape changed.  How cares about ff anymore? Some 30 years olds nostalgics.  But ask the youth if the know what ff is and plan to play.  Not gonna happen".

Was on the thread "FFXV Team Ambition is to sell 10 Millions of units", this shows that he don't like Diversity in games, a JRPG, that already sold more than 110 Millions within 30 Years, and "People don't care anymore", this is the franchise i care the most, and i have 16 Years old, isn't youth enought for him ?.

what a shit post 
and mainstream does not deserve love? games that are played and liked by millions?
just because theire preference is different form yours? yours is the better one? the one that deservs more love? wow. just wow

and i never said the game does not deserve any love. i just said, that pachter does not deserve hate for calling it lame and dislike it.
just like you do not deserve hate if you find call of duty lame. but you do deserve hate for this post.
so keep up your fight.

the post in that ff topic was a hyperbole to point the picture of today in an extrem way. obviously someone will always care about something.
so for final fantasy. doesn't change the fact, that the masses won't anymore like 10 or 15 years ago, when the game was at it's prime
and funny enought ff was the mainstream back in these days - lol

 

Banned - Miguel_Zorro



TH-Work on 05 April 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
But seriously, we should make a legitimate forum rule that posting anything from Patcher is a ban worthy offense. From what I've seen, an intelligible discussion has never come from his threads.

This!



ZhugeEX on 05 April 2016
JRPGfan said:
Why does everything that doesnt sell 10s of millions of unit end up called Niche?

Because in 2016 we now have the top 10 game titles account for 30% of all game unit sales. 

In fact, 12% of all games released in 2015 account for around 75% of all revenue at retail/download. 

Big budget games these days either need to go big or risk losing a lot of money. So publishers are creating AAA games like The Division, Destiny etc... that are guaranteed to sell 10m+