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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Nintendo fires treehouse member Alison Rapp

pokoko said:
Kotaku and a lot of other places really need to be called out on this. They ran with the narrative they wanted to push without even bothering to get the facts. I despise that kind of unethical journalism. This was just a chance for them to force their agenda on people. They helped create this storm of bullshit, which is probably what they wanted.

One thing I do not understand are the "Nintendo should have backed her up" comments. What, "Nintendo" should start arguing with internet trolls on twitter? Hell, no. The best course of action is to ignore them. A corporate entity shouldn't get involved with that petty garbage, especially when a lot of the blowback seems to be about this person's personal opinions. People arguing on twitter shouldn't even be on Nintendo's radar.

Finally, with these developers jumping on this without bothering to find out if she was fired for valid reasons, go ahead and cancel your Wii U games. Doesn't matter to me, as I don't own a Wii U, but I'm certainly going to skip buying your products on any other device I own. Your pettiness and ignorance make me not want to support you.

QFT. I wish Kotaku and those other sites would just die off already :/
Btw I've seen these so-called photos that people talk about. I'm not surprised Nintendo would fire her for them.



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Lafiel said:
Zkuq said:
By the sounds of the article, it seems like she wasn't a bad person (and I generally dislike feminists, or at least the ones that get the most publicity). Too bad she got fired.

every person who thinks females and males deserve to have the same rights, wages (for equal work) and opportunities is a feminist though

This is incorrect. Or, to put it more accurately, correct only in theory. In practice, feminism often seems to be exactly what the name suggests (which is pretty ironic, considering how eagerly a lot of feminists jump on little things such as choice of words). I know feminism should be about equality, but practice often seems different. I'm all for equality though, just not in the form of real-life feminism.



Wyrdness said:
Sorry that's BS mate, child abuse is far more severe than drug use go look at the impact it has on victims for the rest of their lives, any suggestion to lighten laws on punishment is advocating pedophilia end of as children must never suffer such horrific events. This is predatory behaviour that needs to be stamped out so yes the possession of such content should be treated in the same manner, both those creating the content and those creating demand for it should be equally punished.

If she had a child who got abused and someone took pleasure watching the abuse I wonder if she'd even carry such a view.

I'm sorry, but that's highly reductive, black-and-white thinking, on a complex topic. Alison wasn't defending the watching of child porn. Her thesis was on the topic of *drawn* child porn - images of fictional children drawn with pen and paper, or by computer. No child was in any way harmed by such images.

Law shouldn't be about revenge. It shouldn't be about punishing people because it'll make the victim or their family feel better. And it most certainly shouldn't be about punishing something for being outside of the mainstream. It should be dealing with real problems, like actual child sexual abuse, not demonisation of those who have an unusual sexual proclivity and seek out ways to satisfy that proclivity without actively doing anything to any children.

If you can't comprehend these concepts, then I'm glad you're not a politician - we have enough politicians who are incapable of understanding nuance as it is.

EDIT: But I do like the part where you suggested that child sexual abuse is worse than drug use, and therefore the reasoning regarding how to deal with the problem should be completely different even though there's a direct analogy between the two cases. Indeed, if anything, the fact that the real concern with child porn is at the producer end should give you MORE reason to want to deal with it by going after the makers, whereas drug use is more about the impact on the end user and those around the end user.



Wow someone is actually defending freaks who own child pornography?

This is too much.

People who own CP should spent their lives in jail, they aren't normal and shouldn't be allowed to live in a free society with the rest of us.

People who produce CP should simply be killed.



Kotaku claims GamerGate harrassed yet another woman out of the gaming industry. Yup. And I'm the pope.

And then all the facts come out, and no one in the mainstream gives a shit, because KOTAKU pointed at GAMERGATE.


Whyyyy is this world so duuuumbbbbbb



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Yuseithestarknight said:
mornelithe said:

She was fired for moonlighting, not her views on CP/Pedophilia.   Nintendo hasn't elaborated as to why her moonlighting conflicted w/ her job at Nintendo, so there's no real word beyond their official statement.

Really? Well that does change the story. 

If she was fired over "moonlighting", then she must have had a job where she could have given out information of Nintendo projects. I don’t think they would have fired her over having a second job at McDonalds or something like that.

Or...whatever she was doing conflicted with the values that Nintendo wants to portray.  I've left something out because I don't really know if it's connected or not.  And I'd really rather not spread a false bit of info, esp. this info, esp. in todays climate.   But, there are several reasons Nintendo would think whatever job you're doing conflicts w/ your work at their company, and I'll leave it at that.



SpokenTruth said:
Valdath said:

Wow someone is actually defending freaks who own child pornography?

This is too much.

People who own CP should spent their lives in jail, they aren't normal and shouldn't be allowed to live in a free society with the rest of us.

People who produce CP should simply be killed.

Apparently her support was actually about wanting the authorities to go after the people that create and distribute child porn rather than those that download it.  It's a somewhat valid stance but she did a very poor job providing that message.

Yes and no.   The problem with child porn (among many, many other things) is those who download it, are in fact, encouraging its creation.  They are supporting the industry by driving the supply/demand.  So, to say that those who view CP should be left alone, I think is mistaken and stupid (and also not something someone working for Nintendo should be saying).  But, that's my opinion, I don't necessarily think she should be fired for it, I just think it's a morally indefensible position.  Are people who make the content infinitely worse?  Absolutely.  But, that content isn't made without people wanting it.  And just keep it firmly in mind that, every bit of CP, by our legal standards, is an act of rape, since a child cannot given consent.



So was she ACTUALLY being harassed?
Or was she being harassed in the way that most modern feminists claim whenever they feel they're losing an argument?
Where harassment really just means "lots of people are criticising something stupid I said and I don't like it."

Don't believe a word Kotaku says without clear evidence provided.



Zkuq said:
Lafiel said:

every person who thinks females and males deserve to have the same rights, wages (for equal work) and opportunities is a feminist though

This is incorrect. Or, to put it more accurately, correct only in theory. In practice, feminism often seems to be exactly what the name suggests (which is pretty ironic, considering how eagerly a lot of feminists jump on little things such as choice of words). I know feminism should be about equality, but practice often seems different. I'm all for equality though, just not in the form of real-life feminism.

I never fail to be amused how people misunderstand this so badly. THIS IS NOT HOW LANGUAGE WORKS. 

Language is ultimately defined by usage. Not by dictionaries. Dictionary editors will even agree with this! Think about it. If dictionaries defined words (rather than describes usage), why would words change over time? And why would you have multiple definitions for words in many dictionaries? You wouldn't.

Feminist just doesn't mean a belief in equality. When you poll the population, you see this incredibly clearly. Most people believe in equality of the sexes but only a tiny percentage identify as feminists. This is how words are ultimately defined. The dictionaries WILL eventually change the definition to match this. They inevitably always do. They probably just haven't yet because they're scared of the backlash.



PwerlvlAmy said:
one thing tho that i dont agree with is people shouldnt be going around harassing her or making threats towards her either

wish people would stoop to that level

What's the evidence that it actually happened?

It worries me that these kinds of assertions are taken on trust so much nowadays. We know how many liars there are out there. 90% of the cases of online harassment I've looked into have pretty much just been criticism and the person receiving it was just very thin skinned.