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Mummelmann on 27 March 2016
MortienGerrux said:
Mummelmann said:

It's just not doable on mainstream devices yet, not even close. My 4000$ rig is running games in 1440p with max effects at around 70-80fps, if I up the resolution to 4k, those figures drop into the 30's. 3k isn't too far off in terms of hardware requirements and any mainstream device is at least half a decade behind my rig in sheer hardware output.

Put shortly; it won't happen. Not yet. Heck; the PS4 and One are still struggling with 1080p and 60fps gaming with any effects enabled.

4000$? Somebody bought a Alienware. 4000$ gets you triple Titan X with 5820K rig that will able do to 8K gaming with no problems.

But I hope they release a 1080P 60FPS PS4 then I might finally get one...

Alienware?! No thanks!

Prices aren't the same all over the world, it got me a single EVGA 980Ti, a 5820k and 16Gb or DDR4 RAM (and SSD for both system and games).  A rig with triple Titan X and fitting processor will easily set you back 7000$ or so here.



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Ruler on 27 March 2016
HoloDust said:
Your math is correct, it's just that it doesn't work that way - real life benchmarks are showing that you need 3x GPU for 1080 to 4k UHD jump (which is 4x pixel count) with same settings.

Also, that resolution is way too weird, choices are 2560x1440 or 2880x1620.

thats because 4k takes 8 million pixels, 3k takes 4 million pixels which twice more than 1080p



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MortienGerrux on 27 March 2016
Mummelmann said:
MortienGerrux said:

4000$? Somebody bought a Alienware. 4000$ gets you triple Titan X with 5820K rig that will able do to 8K gaming with no problems.

But I hope they release a 1080P 60FPS PS4 then I might finally get one...

Alienware?! No thanks!

Prices aren't the same all over the world, it got me a single EVGA 980Ti, a 5820k and 16Gb or DDR4 RAM (and SSD for both system and games).  A rig with triple Titan X and fitting processor will easily set you back 7000$ or so here.

Good old Australia prices :P



Ruler on 27 March 2016
MortienGerrux said:
As a 4K TV owner and 4K gamer, I can tell you, anything else then full native 3840x2160 looks like somebody smeared vaseline over your TV. I've tried 2560x1440 and 3200x1800 and they still don't look remotely close to real 4K.

It would rather be smart to focus on 1920x1080 60FPS first.

but will look a lot better than 1080p

 

Mummelmann said:
Ruler said:

its possible dueto the smaller size of the AMD APU. They could double the performacne at 500$~ price tag next year

It's just not doable on mainstream devices yet, not even close. My 4000$ rig is running games in 1440p with max effects at around 70-80fps, if I up the resolution to 4k, those figures drop into the 30's. 3k isn't too far off in terms of hardware requirements and any mainstream device is at least half a decade behind my rig in sheer hardware output.

Put shortly; it won't happen. Not yet. Heck; the PS4 and One are still struggling with 1080p and 60fps gaming with any effects enabled.

well i was talking about 3k 30fps for PS4.5 which takes half as much power than 4k



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HoloDust on 27 March 2016
MortienGerrux said:
As a 4K TV owner and 4K gamer, I can tell you, anything else then full native 3840x2160 looks like somebody smeared vaseline over your TV. I've tried 2560x1440 and 3200x1800 and they still don't look remotely close to real 4K.

It would rather be smart to focus on 1920x1080 60FPS first.

I really don't expect to see native 2160p in 9th gen if they want the same kind of jump as in 7th to 8th gen (after the resolution bump) - best case scenario I see as viable solution is 1920x2160 anamorphic with some really good hardware upscaler.

MortienGerrux said:
HoloDust said:
Your math is correct, it's just that it doesn't work that way - real life benchmarks are showing that you need 3x GPU for 1080 to 4k UHD jump (which is 4x pixel count) with same settings.

Also, that resolution is way too weird, choices are 2560x1440 or 2880x1620.

3x is a little too much.

To be able to run games at 4K locked 30FPS with the same settings, the PS4.5 would need to atleast have a R9 380/R9 380X or prefereably a R9 390.

Actually, if you check Anandtech Bench, you mostly see 3x difference on the same card between 1080p and 2160p (it's much more obvious in nVidia cards, AMD GPUs tend to underperform in some of tests) - also, 390X tends to have somewhat lower framerate in 2160p then 7850 in 1080p, even with more then 3x TFLOPS (though not 3x MPixels/MTexels per second).

Ruler said:
HoloDust said:
Your math is correct, it's just that it doesn't work that way - real life benchmarks are showing that you need 3x GPU for 1080 to 4k UHD jump (which is 4x pixel count) with same settings.

Also, that resolution is way too weird, choices are 2560x1440 or 2880x1620.

thats because 4k takes 8 million pixels, 3k takes 4 million pixels which twice more than 1080p

Yeah, it's just that it's quite silly resolution, whereas 1440p to 2160p is 1.5x per axis and 1620p to 2160p is 1.33x per axis - both better for upscaling.



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Ruler on 27 March 2016
HoloDust said:
MortienGerrux said:
As a 4K TV owner and 4K gamer, I can tell you, anything else then full native 3840x2160 looks like somebody smeared vaseline over your TV. I've tried 2560x1440 and 3200x1800 and they still don't look remotely close to real 4K.

It would rather be smart to focus on 1920x1080 60FPS first.

I really don't expect to see native 2160p in 9th gen if they want the same kind of jump as in 7th to 8th gen (after the resolution bump) - best case scenario I see as viable solution is 1920x2160 anamorphic with some really good hardware upscaler.

MortienGerrux said:

3x is a little too much.

To be able to run games at 4K locked 30FPS with the same settings, the PS4.5 would need to atleast have a R9 380/R9 380X or prefereably a R9 390.

Actually, if you check Anandtech Bench, you mostly see 3x difference on the same card between 1080p and 2160p (it's much more obvious in nVidia cards, AMD GPUs tend to underperform in some of tests) - also, 390X tends to have somewhat lower framerate in 2160p then 7850 in 1080p, even with more then 3x TFLOPS (though not 3x MPixels/MTexels per second).

Ruler said:

thats because 4k takes 8 million pixels, 3k takes 4 million pixels which twice more than 1080p

Yeah, it's just that it's quite silly resolution, whereas 1440p to 2160p is 1.5x per axis and 1620p to 2160p is 1.33x per axis - both better for upscaling.

they are all 16:9 resolutions



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(2015) Question for PS4 owners: if the situation would be reverse? would you still play on PS4?

(2015) The "I don't care PS4 is the most powerful console" thread

MortienGerrux on 27 March 2016

HoloDust said:

Actually, if you check Anandtech Bench, you mostly see 3x difference on the same card between 1080p and 2160p (it's much more obvious in nVidia cards, AMD GPUs tend to underperform in some of tests) - also, 390X tends to have somewhat lower framerate in 2160p then 7850 in 1080p, even with more then 3x TFLOPS (though not 3x MPixels/MTexels per second).

Consoles don't run their third-party games at Ultra settings. If you look at benchmark a R9 380 is pretty capable of native 4K locked 30FPS at Medium/High settings.



Zkuq on 27 March 2016

Do chip sizes and densities work like that? I would imagine the density to quadruple instead of doubling when chip size halves. Or do the chips get shorter in one dimension only? I mean, they should be effectively two-dimensional, right? What exactly does 'chip size', measured in nanometers, measure?



KBG29 on 27 March 2016

Considering PS4k should be a little stronger than the HD7970 a chip built on the same tech making it easy to develop for both PS4 and PS4K. I would expect 1440p to be the standard for most game. However, simple games like Disney Infinity, Lego Games, and most indies should run at 4K no problem.

I don't think we will see 4K on Naughty Dog Games, COD, and Madden tell PS4 Spec 3 in 2019 or 2020. PS4 Spec 2 and Spec 3 games will just be enhanced resolution and framerate version of the games we are getting right now. True next gen games won't happen tell PS5 hits in 2024.



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MortienGerrux on 27 March 2016
KBG29 said:
Considering PS4k should be a little stronger than the HD7970 a chip built on the same tech making it easy to develop for both PS4 and PS4K. I would expect 1440p to be the standard for most game. However, simple games like Disney Infinity, Lego Games, and most indies should run at 4K no problem.

I don't think we will see 4K on Naughty Dog Games, COD, and Madden tell PS4 Spec 3 in 2019 or 2020. PS4 Spec 2 and Spec 3 games will just be enhanced resolution and framerate version of the games we are getting right now. True next gen games won't happen tell PS5 hits in 2024.

So you mean games will be hold back for another 8 years even with all the different versions ? Great...