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Forums - Nintendo - "Alleged" photo of NX controller "leaked": We might as well discuss this now

Kai_Mao on 18 March 2016
thismeintiel said:
spemanig said:

I think they can easily take on Sony, as long as they don't have this controller. Sony lost the only generation where it had real compitition. If the NX has a controller with traditional buttons, a second screen, and a sleek and urganomic design, everything else we know about it will, I'm sure, absolutely steal PS4's thunder. Especially if Nintendo embraces cross-play with the XBO. I don't think PS4 will stop selling well, but I think the PS4 will be the 360 to the NX's Wii in terms of sales. But it'll be worse because, inlike with the Wii vs. 360, the NX will actually be competing directly for PS4's consumers.

The PS4 and XBO are at 60m combined now. If the generation is the same as before, that leave 100m consumers who have yet to jump onto next gen, and NX is going to take the majority of them from the moment it launches.

As long as it doesn't launch with this stupid controller.

Well, that's some revisionist history right there.  No, the fact is Nintendo lost every gen it went up against Sony in, save one.  And last gen it was mainly Sony's fault that it stumbled out the gate, not the competitions.  Nintendo was also able to tap into the casual market, a market that is mostly gone now.  Still, the PS3 ended up only ~15M less than the Wii.  When Sony has won gens, the competition finishes nowhere close. 

And nothing is going to steal the PS4's thunder, save the end of Japan, or the world.  Especially not a machine that is rumored to be only as powerful as the XBO, which has been outsold 2:1 by the PS4, so far.  It's time to face it, Nintendo just can't compete with the big boys in the home console space.  They got lucky that the casuals came in in droves last gen, but that's not happening, again.  Which really makes it strange that they still seem to keep aiming at them in terms of power and features.

And the real death knell of the NX?  The PS5, which will most likely launch in 2018 or 2019.  How is a console on par with the XBO going to compete with a ~$399 console that is 4x-5x as powerful as the PS4?  That will most likely be B/C with the PS4?  It hasn't a prayer, regardless of what controller it uses.  I'm sure the Nintendo fans will eat it up, but given the Wii U's sales, there aren't that many left.

Then what does that mean for the 3DS owners? Aren't a majority of them Nintendo fans? That's like saying the Vita shows who are the hardcore Sony fans.



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curl-6 on 18 March 2016
spemanig said:
curl-6 said:

How can you conclude that NX will be a good mass market product when you don't know what it will be?

Frankly, I don't think it matters how good it is. At this point I think consumer interest in Nintendo hardware has been irreparably damaged. A new console from them could convert lead to gold and it'd still struggle to reach 20 million. Wii U was their Saturn and NX will be their Dreamcast.

Because I do know what it will be. Nintendo has been telling us almost exactly what it will be for over two years. I've been right about 90% of my inferences based on facts Nintendo has provided since that date that Nintendo has since confirmed thus far, so I have no reason to think all my other inferences based on concrete fact Nintendo has provided won't be right, too.

It's not damaged, and even if it was, it only takes one good product to being them back to dominance. Thankfully, NX is that product.

As long as this controller is fake.

No offense, but this seems like wishful thinking to me. I mean, seriously, NX outselling PS4? Never gonna happen, not in a million years.



Airaku on 18 March 2016
spemanig said:
Airaku said:


There is no reason that the haptic feedback cannot be more intensive than it's phones counterpart. Remember that the XBO triggers are actually considered haptic feedback. Also zoom into the controller. You can see a very subtle gap there.

I'm not saying that this isn't fake. It just makes a lot of sense for a handheld controller. Easily a day one purchess for me.

The haptics feedback on the XBO aren't meant to function as buttons independant of the triggers, so bringing them up means nothing. They'd can shake harder than someone having a sesure and they will still NEVER be able to replace a button functionally.

There is no gap.

I think that we need to try it ourselves to reserve judgement, it's very possible that it'll work. Something like this must have gone through a lot of testing. I agree that replacing buttons is not something that should be done, but we should reserve judgement. 

Zoom in with "crtl+" I don't think gap is the right word, but you can see where it slides under. A small little space.

Also why do you keep calling it a controller, when by design. It seems more like a handheld aspect. You also mention that you seem to know for fact that it will succeed. Do you have insider info? But you show doubt with "unless this is real" or something like that. How do you know this controller will fail? How do you know that it's not a handheld? I may have missed it, but I haven't seen you address these.




Cubedramirez on 18 March 2016

No way that's real. It doesn't follow any design cues from Nintendo.

Call it a day folks, this is bull shit.



thismeintiel on 18 March 2016
Kai_Mao said:
thismeintiel said:

Well, that's some revisionist history right there.  No, the fact is Nintendo lost every gen it went up against Sony in, save one.  And last gen it was mainly Sony's fault that it stumbled out the gate, not the competitions.  Nintendo was also able to tap into the casual market, a market that is mostly gone now.  Still, the PS3 ended up only ~15M less than the Wii.  When Sony has won gens, the competition finishes nowhere close. 

And nothing is going to steal the PS4's thunder, save the end of Japan, or the world.  Especially not a machine that is rumored to be only as powerful as the XBO, which has been outsold 2:1 by the PS4, so far.  It's time to face it, Nintendo just can't compete with the big boys in the home console space.  They got lucky that the casuals came in in droves last gen, but that's not happening, again.  Which really makes it strange that they still seem to keep aiming at them in terms of power and features.

And the real death knell of the NX?  The PS5, which will most likely launch in 2018 or 2019.  How is a console on par with the XBO going to compete with a ~$399 console that is 4x-5x as powerful as the PS4?  That will most likely be B/C with the PS4?  It hasn't a prayer, regardless of what controller it uses.  I'm sure the Nintendo fans will eat it up, but given the Wii U's sales, there aren't that many left.

Then what does that mean for the 3DS owners? Aren't a majority of them Nintendo fans? That's like saying the Vita shows who are the hardcore Sony fans.

The handheld and home console markets are completely different.  Gamers who are mainly handheld gamers are usually casual gamers.  They don't want to spend that much on a gaming console, and don't mind "gimmicks" in HW or SW.  Of course, thanks to smartphones and tablets, that market is steadily shrinking.  Last gen there was room for two successful handhelds, this gen only one.  And the recent poor sales of the 3DS (it will be Nintendo's lowest selling handheld to date) also illustrates this.  The NX seems to be Nintendo's last stand in the console business, as rumors suggest they are combining the two markets in hope of some success.  The problem is they are combining a shrinking market with one they have not performed well in since Sony took over the top spot.  They just don't seem to understand, or make their consoles for, the core market.  They got lucky with the Wii.

As far as Sony fans go, it is undeniable that there are more and they are more dedicated.  Sony survived something last gen that would have killed any other gaming company.  Launching $200 more than their nearest competitor, powerwise.  Their online network wasn't up to snuff, especially compared to XBL.  Multiplats were poorly ported for the 1st year or so.  And the 1st party SW was lacking for the 1st year or so, as well.  Sony fans are also mostly core gamers and prefer console gaming over handheld gaming, which is why their home consoles perform much better than their handhelds.



 

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Soundwave on 18 March 2016
spemanig said:
curl-6 said:

Wii U sales: 13 million.

PS4 sales: 40 million (With a year less on the market)

I rest my case.

You don't. The Wii U failed because it is a bad mass market product, not because it is a Nintendo product. The NX will be a good product, so it will sell well. It'll be console redefining, so it'll sell very well.

Unless this constroller isn't fake.

It's far more likely Nintendo will fuck this up. They've been generally speaking fucking up in the console business for the better part of 20 years now.

I'd like to be optimistic, but they'll find some way to screw it up, seems like they do pretty much every gen post-SNES with the exception of that Wii craze for a few years. 

Also if you are going to live and die on that "Nintendo patened it so it must be correct" line of reasoning .... well Nintendo basically did patent this exact type of controller. 

I don't think it's real for that reason though, Nintendo would have to be dumb as shit to use basically the exact design in a patent that anyone would have acccess to see. 



teigaga on 18 March 2016

Looks like the analogue sticks aren't capable of moving lol. Would have been a pretty expensive fake otherwise

 

Although I'm pretty confident the NX controller will have a full touch screen as shown and will lack some buttons ( No Dpad+ 2 less face buttons). Dpad is mostly useless and a touch screen is infinitely more useful in (99% of games). There will of course be an optional classic controller option too but I think the main control controller will burrow it's form factor from the controller Nintendo revealed for Pokken but more square in regard to the face plate.

 

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Soundwave on 18 March 2016

How can you tell if the analog sticks can move or not from a static photo though?



Frogger on 18 March 2016
Soundwave said:

It's far more likely Nintendo will fuck this up. They've been generally speaking fucking up in the console business for the better part of 20 years now.

I'd like to be optimistic, but they'll find some way to screw it up, seems like they do pretty much every gen post-SNES with the exception of that Wii craze for a few years. 

Also if you are going to live and die on that "Nintendo patened it so it must be correct" line of reasoning .... well Nintendo basically did patent this exact type of controller. 

I don't think it's real for that reason though, Nintendo would have to be dumb as shit to use basically the exact design in a patent that anyone would have acccess to see. 

You clearly haven't been reading anything I've been saying.