The launch of the NX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHGczDHTDpo

Why would any consumer apart from a diehard Nintendo fan by a Nintendo console over a PS4 though?

The only time Nintendo beat Playstation in a console race was when they came up with a wild card that up-ended the whole industry. Such things are not easy to come by and can't just be conjured up on demand, as evidenced by Wii U's failure.

How can you conclude that NX will be a good mass market product when you don't know what it will be?

Frankly, I don't think it matters how good it is. At this point I think consumer interest in Nintendo hardware has been irreparably damaged. A new console from them could convert lead to gold and it'd still struggle to reach 20 million. Wii U was their Saturn and NX will be their Dreamcast.

We had the NX controller this whole time.

I hope this is fake.

Nintendo needs to stop the screen controller thingy, it was a terrible idea, the battery life is short, the controller is huge and heavy, etc.

Just give us a normal controller please, for every 50 posters on vgchartz who need low resolution off screen gaming, there's more people who didn't buy the Wii U because of the controller.

Source? The Vita, a failed console with no first party support is still ahead of the Wii U.

Then how can you conclude that NX will be a failure? History? Last time we assumed that, Nintendo went on to sell 250 million units of hardware and billions of software. Lucky or not, there was a market who were interested in the dual touch screen and the motion controls. Plus it didn't hurt to have games that are considered games of their generation (or of all-time).

Unless you've been within the board meetings and hearing from developers directly, you cannot assume or judge what this NX could possibly be and what it could ultimately do for Nintendo. History is a weird thing at times. I mean, look what happened to Vita. All the momentum that the PSP had went down the drain due to multiple factors, not just lack of consumer interest. Some analysts thought 3DS, especially after its slow start, would crumble once the VIta released. And as I said before, the 3DS has almost 60 million people as an install base. Not great compared to DS, but commendable considering the new elements that have affected handhelds such as mobile.

I have heard many rumors and news about patents and I still don't have the full big picture of what this console is going to be.

As I've said, I don't think it matters if it's good or bad, I think major success is out of reach either way. 

Back with the Wii, there was a massive market left untapped. That's no longer the case.

Do you remember guys how everyone laughed on 2DS look? Don't understimate Nintendo. I hope this real and NX will bomb hard. They deserve it after letting Wii U die like that.

Because I do know what it will be. Nintendo has been telling us almost exactly what it will be for over two years. I've been right about 90% of my inferences based on facts Nintendo has provided since that date that Nintendo has since confirmed thus far, so I have no reason to think all my other inferences based on concrete fact Nintendo has provided won't be right, too.

It's not damaged, and even if it was, it only takes one good product to being them back to dominance. Thankfully, NX is that product.

As long as this controller is fake.

Even though of course this is a "rumor", it's Nintendo so people will take it as truth. But what I love is that Nintendo is so unpredictable that they would possibly use a similar concept in their NX design. Sony and Microsoft will give you the same controllers and game experience every generation and people should go play their games there if that's what you want. But I for one like the fact that Nintendo tries things outside of the box and wants to improve or change how we play games!

Well, that's some revisionist history right there.  No, the fact is Nintendo lost every gen it went up against Sony in, save one.  And last gen it was mainly Sony's fault that it stumbled out the gate, not the competitions.  Nintendo was also able to tap into the casual market, a market that is mostly gone now.  Still, the PS3 ended up only ~15M less than the Wii.  When Sony has won gens, the competition finishes nowhere close. 

And nothing is going to steal the PS4's thunder, save the end of Japan, or the world.  Especially not a machine that is rumored to be only as powerful as the XBO, which has been outsold 2:1 by the PS4, so far.  It's time to face it, Nintendo just can't compete with the big boys in the home console space.  They got lucky that the casuals came in in droves last gen, but that's not happening, again.  Which really makes it strange that they still seem to keep aiming at them in terms of power and features.

And the real death knell of the NX?  The PS5, which will most likely launch in 2018 or 2019.  How is a console on par with the XBO going to compete with a ~$399 console that is 4x-5x as powerful as the PS4?  That will most likely be B/C with the PS4?  It hasn't a prayer, regardless of what controller it uses.  I'm sure the Nintendo fans will eat it up, but given the Wii U's sales, there aren't that many left.