Barozi said:
97alexk said:
Well, its fine right now, but not in 10 years when muslim extremists become more in germany, and you have more incidents like the one in Köln. also AfD is growing in germany, so they probably maybe even have more than 10%
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you mean "if". You don't know what's going to happen. If there's no or at least no strong IS anymore in 10 years there will be a lot less extremists. Organization and promises is what makes them strong. Once this is gone the threat within other countries will crumble as well. Though we have to do a much better job than France did with their North African immigrants. That's for sure.
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There will always be an extermist party in the world with our current foreign politics, we destabalise regimes, which might not have the best intrest in their people but are stable economical and poltical. If you break that cycle of power, mayham and chaos will rise as soon as America and Europe thinks it's necessary to bombard IS over there. We need to stop making dictators fall since it backslash us more than it does good even if they don't acknowledge human rights like tha Saudi's. We are not to judge those practices as long as they keep them there, if there cultural view collides with ours within Europe than we have a problem, which is the case at this moment. Since in general Islam doesn't go hand in hand with Jews or the fundamental rights for females in the Western world, especially if those refugees are not here by choise those visions don't change in one day across the border.
As for promises a few lies about our politics and the mistakes we make with bombing IS and the general view of the West, and intepretation of Islam, as what we did tot the Middle East wil be fuel for years for parties like IS to recruit youth with no bright view for the future. But that still doesn't say anyting about the fact that we should take care of them since our debt wil go through the roof if we do that even above America's if we intend to adopt Syria, Lybia, and god knows what countries will follow, perhaps Afghanistan will fall pray to IS soon which is very weak at this moment. The Middle East needs to resolve this crisis on their own since Western intervention will lead to more destruction, more war, more hate towards the West and more Paris like attacks, and mass floods of refugees will result in more Köln like incidents and tention between cultures which don't play nice with eachother.
So what we need to do is to stop doing what we're doing right now negotiate with Turkey and pay them a pretty penny to resolve this crisis for us. Might not be very humane considering Turkey's politics, but 75% of the World isn't all that humane when falling to basic human rights. But Western intervention doesn't neccesarily make it better (most of the times way way worse) and the integration of other cultures in Western culture doesn't go all that well either considering many IS millitants origniate from The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, UK, Sweden, etc. Alo the ammount of incidents involving muslims in the Netherlands is percentage wise reasonably higher than with other cultures. Importing a large group of people which do not share the same views as another dominant group leads to friction, which will lead to even more incidents.