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Barozi said:
LurkerJ said:

Is it really racist? 

Can you live in the Middle East and express your opinion freely on Islam?

Can you be gay in the Middle East? 

Hell, can you be from the Shia sector of Islam and live happily as a Shia Muslim in a Sunni country?

You think these immigrants wouldn't have oppressed the other sector that drove them out of the balance of power shifted to their favour? 

Of course it's racist. Saying a culture needs to be oppressed is no better than saying that blacks are only good for slavery.

Maybe you didn't notice but could it be that the things you mentioned are like that BECAUSE they are mostly oppressed by either their own kind or some foreign invader?
The same things applied during the Nazi times.
Could you be gay in Nazi Germany?
Could you be disabled in Nazi Germany?
Could you express your opinion freely on the Führer?
Could you be Yewish and live happily in Nazi Germany?

Obviously not, but that's evidently no reason to say that a culture has to be oppressed in all eternity.

Obviously you are ignoring the fact that Germany slowly evolved in the Germany that we know today. They didn't become a free nation in moments. If you trancent from a dictature towards a free country it's not really any form of mirracle that it is bound to go wrong, the mass rapings prove that. Besides it's not like you can say everything in the West without backlash we still have laws against spreading hate and discrimination and people get arrested because of those like Wilders. If we look at Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan there is one simple conclusion folks had it better with a strong dictator and less freedom than now. The political system over there is different and largely based on power and corruption, with those fundamentals a strong party makes sure of stability in the region which is better than chaos and mayham so yes, I rather see Sadam as sitting president instead of parties like IS and the Taliban killing innocents by the masses thus opression of the people and those groups is way better for the people than the current alternative. 

Saying blacks are only good for slavery on the other hand is a different story entirely. But if you think it that countries like Lybia, Iraq and Afghanistan are doing better without dictator than with one be my guest. 



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The fact people are labelling this as 'xenophobia' is laughable and part of a huge problem for Europe. Especially if it keeps stigmatising citizens that are fed up with having these individuals shit in their very own backyards (figure of speech).

Also had a great laugh at the allusion to Einstein and Jewish refugees in WW2. I don't remember them failing to assimilate and provide utility to the countries that took them in. I must have missed that part in History class.



Aerys said:
Good, if it would have been the opposite, i would have been worried about germans mental health.

The Afd is NOT good, in any way. Look up their policies, almost as backwards as fundamentalist islam... They pretty openly say that the place of women is at home.



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Barozi said:
97alexk said:

Well, its fine right now, but not in 10 years when muslim extremists become more in germany, and you have more incidents like the one in Köln. also AfD is growing in germany, so they probably maybe even have more than 10%

you mean "if". You don't know what's going to happen. If there's no or at least no strong IS anymore in 10 years there will be a lot less extremists. Organization and promises is what makes them strong. Once this is gone the threat within other countries will crumble as well.
Though we have to do a much better job than France did with their North African immigrants. That's for sure.

There will always be an extermist party in the world with our current foreign politics, we destabalise regimes, which might not have the best intrest in their people but are stable economical and poltical. If you break that cycle of power, mayham and chaos will rise as soon as America and Europe thinks it's necessary to bombard IS over there. We need to stop making dictators fall since it backslash us more than it does good even if they don't acknowledge human rights like tha Saudi's. We are not to judge those practices as long as they keep them there, if there cultural view collides with ours within Europe than we have a problem, which is the case at this moment. Since in general Islam doesn't go hand in hand with Jews or the fundamental rights for females in the Western world, especially if those refugees are not here by choise those visions don't change in one day across the border.

As for promises a few lies about our politics and the mistakes we make with bombing IS and the general view of the West, and intepretation of Islam, as what we did tot the Middle East wil be fuel for years for parties like IS to recruit youth with no bright view for the future. But that still doesn't say anyting about the fact that we should take care of them since our debt wil go through the roof if we do that even above America's if we intend to adopt Syria, Lybia, and god knows what countries will follow, perhaps Afghanistan will fall pray to IS soon which is very weak at this moment. The Middle East needs to resolve this crisis on their own since Western intervention will lead to more destruction, more war, more hate towards the West and more Paris like attacks, and mass floods of refugees will result in more Köln like incidents and tention between cultures which don't play nice with eachother.

So what we need to do is to stop doing what we're doing right now negotiate with Turkey and pay them a pretty penny to resolve this crisis for us. Might not be very humane considering Turkey's politics, but 75% of the World isn't all that humane when falling to basic human rights. But Western intervention doesn't neccesarily make it better (most of the times way way worse) and the integration of other cultures in Western culture doesn't go all that well either considering many IS millitants origniate from The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, UK, Sweden, etc. Alo the ammount of incidents involving muslims in the Netherlands is percentage wise reasonably higher than with other cultures. Importing a large group of people which do not share the same views as another dominant group leads to friction, which will lead to even more incidents.



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Here is an example of letting migrants into a country and allowing them what they want. Down here in Australia, we have had many migrants, From the 80s we had a swarm of Europeans who accepted the Australian way. 90s we had a swarm full of Asians, who gladly accepted Australia’s way. In the 2000s we are getting many from the Eastern Europe countries who bring their strong religious beliefs with them. There’s nothing wrong with that, but now over the course of many years, they never accepted Australia’s way, in fact Australia rules are changing because of them. We are no longer aloud to sing the national anthems in our schools, we can’t even wave the Aus flag around without getting questioned due to racism.

Most of the crime waves here are based around religious beliefs. Rape, thief, murder or stabbings tend to always lead to a Muslim or migrant.

Many Muslim men condemn Aus woman who don’t fully cover up in towels. They don’t want to live under another rules, they want to live under their own rules but in another country. The way the world is going, by allowing migrants into their countries, in a matter of years the world will change. In another 10 years Australia’s will be another India, or Muslim country. Same goes for the rest of the world. Keep allowing these people in and the more they will slowly change the country to fit their needs.
Here is what the audience is like in Australia and what they think of a British solder getting murdered in England. This is coming from what he thinks of our society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssj_pOHM8pg
^ I suggest those who want to defend what iv stated watch it before having your say in there defence.

I walk the same streets as these men.



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barneystinson69 said:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-13/merkel-party-declines-in-state-votes-swayed-by-refugee-crisis

 

Was destroyed in the polls today. Anti-immigration party saw huge gains. Hope this finally gives a fair warning for her to stop this madness. Allowing millions of refugee's into Europe has turned into a disaster, and many have had enough. She may single-handedly cause the distruction of the EU, which frankly wouldn't be surprising at this point.

Ridiculous post, so what do you suggest she do, let millions be killed? The only other option would've been to intervene in Syria and defeat Assad and Isis so the refugees stay home, Europe didn't do that, now the only choice is to accomodate refugees.

 



palou said:
Aerys said:
Good, if it would have been the opposite, i would have been worried about germans mental health.

The Afd is NOT good, in any way. Look up their policies, almost as backwards as fundamentalist islam... They pretty openly say that the place of women is at home.

They are basically run by Frauke Petry, a Doctor in Chemistry. She tried to run her own small business, invested one million Euro in it and went bankrupt.
She is not the kind of woman you described.

Other than that: Link please.



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RolStoppable said:
Gains for the AfD aren't anything to be happy about. Of course, Merkel deserves to lose votes because of the way she handled immigration. She just went with her German Mutti strategy that everybody has to be welcome because we all are humans, but she didn't have any plan to back it up. If it hadn't been for the countless volunteers all across Germany, the country would have been in a really bad state.

Not surprised that the AfD did best in Sachsen-Anhalt, but shocked how good they are doing.

Of course nationalism sells well in the east. How else should they justify the continued money transfer 25 years later?



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Azzanation said:
Here is an example of letting migrants into a country and allowing them what they want. Down here in Australia, we have had many migrants, From the 80s we had a swarm of Europeans who accepted the Australian way. 90s we had a swarm full of Asians, who gladly accepted Australia’s way. In the 2000s we are getting many from the Eastern Europe countries who bring their strong religious beliefs with them. There’s nothing wrong with that, but now over the course of many years, they never accepted Australia’s way, in fact Australia rules are changing because of them. We are no longer aloud to sing the national anthems in our schools, we can’t even wave the Aus flag around without getting questioned due to racism.

Most of the crime waves here are based around religious beliefs. Rape, thief, murder or stabbings tend to always lead to a Muslim or migrant.

Many Muslim men condemn Aus woman who don’t fully cover up in towels. They don’t want to live under another rules, they want to live under their own rules but in another country. The way the world is going, by allowing migrants into their countries, in a matter of years the world will change. In another 10 years Australia’s will be another India, or Muslim country. Same goes for the rest of the world. Keep allowing these people in and the more they will slowly change the country to fit their needs.
Here is what the audience is like in Australia and what they think of a British solder getting murdered in England. This is coming from what he thinks of our society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssj_pOHM8pg
^ I suggest those who want to defend what iv stated watch it before having your say in there defence.

I walk the same streets as these men.

Hahahaha, so some guy with a beard say crap, and you have to stigmatise the entire muslim community? What the hell is wrong with you? According to your logic, all the rapes and murders of Aussie people should be cause to stigmatise your nation? Also the Western media never makes a distinction which part of the muslim community says and do these crap, creating an image that all muslims are bad. No we aren't. The bad apples are the wahhabists but you won't see that on your propaganda channels because it's easier to blame "muslims" and all muslims are the same.



DirtyP2002 said:
palou said:

The Afd is NOT good, in any way. Look up their policies, almost as backwards as fundamentalist islam... They pretty openly say that the place of women is at home.

They are basically run by Frauke Petry, a Doctor in Chemistry. She tried to run her own small business, invested one million Euro in it and went bankrupt.
She is not the kind of woman you described.

Other than that: Link please.

Here is a translation (from reddit, but I did read the original in german) of the AFDs party manifesto (which should resume their ideological position)

The Gender-ideology marginalizes natural differences between the sexes and thereby goes against traditional values and gender roles in the family. The classical roles of man and woman shall be "corrected" through state-funded reeducation programs in Kindergartens and schools. AfD opposes this kind of gender pedagogics as an infraction of the natural development of children and parental rights. The AfD also demands to remove early sexualisation from schools and stop the destabilization of childrens sexual identity. Many of the views expressed in the context of Gender Mainstreaming run contrary to science, developmental psychology and life experience.



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