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Wall for the US?

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Nope. 173 69.48%
 
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palou on 05 March 2016

Why do people think that illegal immigrants would have such a negative impact on the economy? They don't receive social benefits but do contribute sales taxes. On the other hand, a good relationship with mexico (easy flow of wares) is crucial) the american car industry would crumblep evn faster without it.



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ArchangelMadzz on 05 March 2016
SamuelRSmith said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
The awkward moment when immigration is below net zero, more people are leaving the country than joining the country.

When's that awkward moment coming? It's not happened yet:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html

 

My bad, I meant Mexican immigration.



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NiKKoM on 05 March 2016

you guys better build that wall.. i don't wanna have all those people who voted for Trump running in the wild.. it keeps the rest of the world safe from Trumpism.



 

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S.Peelman on 05 March 2016

Sure walls always help. They keep your roof up, keep you warm, you can lean against them...



Rab on 05 March 2016

A wall (fence) is helping Macedonia save Europe, so it could work for the US

http://www.rferl.org/content/macedonian-leader-ivanov-blasts-eu-for-failing-secure-borders-migrants/27590669.html



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EntilZha on 05 March 2016

Does anyone have any facts on how many people have come into the USA from Mexico illegally in the last 3 years?
Do we know how they cross the border?
a) % that cross on land illegally?
b) % that cross on water illegally?
c) % that cross by air illegally?
d) % that cross legally (tourist) but do not return to Mexico as they should?

A wall would only stop MOST of the people from category (a).

Isn't the real problem all the companies that hire them? If they had no legitimate jobs, they would have no way to support themselves in the US and they would go back (or not come in the first place). That is why most of them come the US, right? The chance at getting a job and having a better life?

Full disclosure, I am not from the USA and I do not know every detail of this issue. These are just some of the questions that come to mind.



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Robert_Downey_Jr. on 05 March 2016
pokoko said:
I wonder how much Trump knows about the Great Wall of China? A wall is nothing but an inconvenience without guards stationed along every avenue of approach. It's going to be expensive to build and even more expensive to maintain. Technology will eventually be the key, with or without a physical wall, but we probably aren't there yet.

That being said, this might be a clever red herring. Perhaps Trump knows the Great Wall of the United States will never get built. Maybe he's running on it to get voters on his side and then when it doesn't happen he's planning to point the finger of blame elsewhere.

just blame congress.  It's worked for Obama



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Robert_Downey_Jr. on 05 March 2016
palou said:

Why do people think that illegal immigrants would have such a negative impact on the economy? They don't receive social benefits but do contribute sales taxes. On the other hand, a good relationship with mexico (easy flow of wares) is crucial) the american car industry would crumblep evn faster without it.

1.  They can vote.  It's kind of bribery at this point as those who make the laws more lax and don't care about ILLEGAL activity like illegal immigration will get more and more votes.

2. They receive healthcare.  With the ACA already doubling my health insurance rates this just makes it worse all the time the more people the middle class has to pay for



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Qwark on 05 March 2016

Well it would create a hell of a lot of jobs so in that way it helps. In every other way I doubt it would help, you can still travel by sea from Mexico to the US and the cartels will always find a way. The solution for US its immigration problems is to wage a war against Mexican drug Kartels and put them into Guatanamo, or just kill them. Furthermore the US needs tottrade more with Mexico to get their economy running so that people actually want to live there. Europe's immigration problem is harder though since they need to keep entire Africa and large parts of the middle east happy. And considering Europe isn't allowed to wipe IS from this planet the continent is going to adopt half of Syria. Some are stuck in Turkey but I am sure they will get past Turkey soon enough.



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palou on 05 March 2016
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
palou said:

Why do people think that illegal immigrants would have such a negative impact on the economy? They don't receive social benefits but do contribute sales taxes. On the other hand, a good relationship with mexico (easy flow of wares) is crucial) the american car industry would crumblep evn faster without it.

1.  They can vote.  It's kind of bribery at this point as those who make the laws more lax and don't care about ILLEGAL activity like illegal immigration will get more and more votes.

2. They receive healthcare.  With the ACA already doubling my health insurance rates this just makes it worse all the time the more people the middle class has to pay for

In that case, the simple and logical solution would be to register all individuals by fingerprint id.



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