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Forums - Nintendo - More Fire Emblem Fates Censorship! Bikini Outfits Removed

archer9234 on 20 February 2016
Dunban67 said:
Volterra_90 said:

I don't need anyone to tell me how I'm supposed to "waste my time". That's up to me. 

And, well, anyone who doesn't know that what suits fine in one culture couln't suit well in another different culture, """shouldn't waste their time commenting""". If you tell me that they're censoring meaningful and important parts of the plot or gameplay who are actually important, I'd critizise it, of course I would. But the whole "bikini" think in FE is just nonsense and just plain ridiculous. And, yes, I'm criticizing the developers for doing that, and praising NIntendo for fixing that. And, yes, I think this should be censored, and I'm glad they're doing it. It's cringeworthy. And I'm sure a lot of people would see it that way if it was released without that censorship. Let's talk about censorship when it really matters, please, this doesn't change the game a bit. 

I really feel sad for the people who won't buy the game because they can't see a girl in bikini. It's fucking insane and nitpicking, which seems to be the norm with Nintendo these days, by the way.

who is to say what is appropriate for a particular culture-   it is the pc vocal minority that is pushing for censorship in a rated game-   if material like that was in an E rated game that would be wrong but rating exist for a reason-  the developer original content was rating appropriate (weather you or i think it is needed is beside the point).    What happens if "violence" gets caught in the social justice cross hairs (or anyone eles)  and they change the battle system to lesen violence to appease a group of people who mostly won t buy the game anyway? 

If you think about it there are many many aspects of video games that could be stripped out (no pun intended) as "not vital to gameplay" yet if enough of it was striped out youu woudl be left wth a very dull lifeless predictable game no one would want-

It dos not matter "what" was changed, it matters "why" it was changed and it does matter - the issue has nothing to do with bikins in an rpg

Which is why I would like Nintendo to actually test if they just equally objectify (Fan Service) all the characters. Will anyone give a shit then.



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Aeolus451 on 20 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Hmm, perhaps you should just get to your point. Say what you mean, rol. 

You convey that Nintendo has started a habit of censorship because they were in the mood to do it, but the frequency of these instances was caused by the games themselves. Fatal Frame: Maiden of the Black Water, Xenoblade Chronicles X and Fire Emblem Fates. What did all of these games have in common? Depiction of underage girls in revealing clothes. The age of consent in Japan is 13, but it's higher pretty much everywhere else as far as markets for video games are concerned. So instead of running into legal problems, Nintendo removed or made small adjustments to the content because doing so had no impact on the quality of the games. It is the simplest and most effective solution.

The legal problems are real: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/26362/dead-or-alive-dimensions-banned-in-sweden

If you understand the reason for the instances of self-censorship, you realize that there is no basis to believe that this will eventually expand to include the removal of meaningful content in games.

Did you watch that vid? How do you explain why they removed bikini outfits? Honestly, what sweden does is irrevelent in the video game market. 

As for your excuse of why they censored those games. The simple solution is to just adjust the ages of the fictional characters. The japanese have done that before with other games and mediums. The new nintendo boss has a different viewpoint on this censorship compared to the old one. 

In just one game they went from censoring the touching the characters minigame to taking out bikinis. There's already a bit of a snowball effect. It wouldn't take much for nintendo censor more of their games. 



Dunban67 on 20 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Dunban67 said:

1 girl in the japanese version of XBC was supposedly 13-  the other examples you use did not have to do w age

i don t ever recal a playing a video game were an age was even disclosed or i had any knowledge of an individuals specific age including the original xenoblade

It's not so much about a number for the age as it is about appearance. Girls who look like 13 aren't going to get past authorities if developers claim that they are 18+.

are you just making this up?  who can tell the ages of many of these girls these days-  both in video games and in real life-  (up to a point)  

have you ever seen womesn clothing catalogues in the US and even womens magazines -  they would make these video games blush and the catalogues/magazines that cater to the younger demographic are; if not illegal def in poor tasete  

By your logic there will be red shirt and black boot brigades patroling beaches in the summer rounding up every girl under 18 in a bikini

have you ever been to a beach?    



Dunban67 on 20 February 2016
archer9234 said:
Dunban67 said:

who is to say what is appropriate for a particular culture-   it is the pc vocal minority that is pushing for censorship in a rated game-   if material like that was in an E rated game that would be wrong but rating exist for a reason-  the developer original content was rating appropriate (weather you or i think it is needed is beside the point).    What happens if "violence" gets caught in the social justice cross hairs (or anyone eles)  and they change the battle system to lesen violence to appease a group of people who mostly won t buy the game anyway? 

If you think about it there are many many aspects of video games that could be stripped out (no pun intended) as "not vital to gameplay" yet if enough of it was striped out youu woudl be left wth a very dull lifeless predictable game no one would want-

It dos not matter "what" was changed, it matters "why" it was changed and it does matter - the issue has nothing to do with bikins in an rpg

Which is why I would like Nintendo to actually test if they just equally objectify (Fan Service) all the characters. Will anyone give a shit then.

That is a question of target audience/demographics not censhorship



Wright on 20 February 2016

I still don't understand why you guys keep defending the outfit removal. More content is always good, no matter how little, absurd or dumb. Removing and not adding anything in exchange sucks.



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Dunban67 on 20 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Dunban67 said:

are you just making this up?  who can tell the ages of many of these girls these days-  both in video games and in real life-  (up to a point)  

have you ever seen womesn clothing catalogues in the US and even womens magazines -  they would make these video games blush and the catalogues/magazines that cater to the younger demographic are; if not illegal def in poor tasete  

By your logic there will be red shirt and black boot brigades patroling beaches in the summer rounding up every girl under 18 in a bikini

have you ever been to a beach?    

I don't live in the USA and I haven't seen your magazines either. Are you saying that they depict underage girls in revealing clothes and sexual poses? That's hard to imagine, so I don't believe you.

then you must llive in the middle east -    

your argument is getting thin and fanboyish-  



archer9234 on 20 February 2016
Dunban67 said:
archer9234 said:

Which is why I would like Nintendo to actually test if they just equally objectify (Fan Service) all the characters. Will anyone give a shit then.

That is a question of target audience/demographics not censhorship

This thread is talking about removing Bikini outfits. I don't care if people call it censorship or audience. They removed BIKINI skins, that's the focus.  Because the ONLY real reason they're removed, is because it's objectifying women. Not because of a rating problem. If that was the case. Then Baywatch should be rated M. I'd like to see if being equally "smutty" to both sexes will make people not care, that they're in the game.

Because what argument do you have now? "Women are being Objectified! Oh, wait... the men's bulges are being shown off too." Now it's fair. Would they still get removed, or not? If they still do. Then Baywatch has to be rated M. You can't even use the argument. "Well they're being sexualized!" In swinwear. That anyone, of any age could see on the beach. By that logic. If someone finds a woman hot. She's fully covered up. And showing no skin. But still faps to it. Than all chothing, not matter what, is sexual pleasure. My signature & avatar should be banned on VGchartz, as well. I'm equally showing off Hulk & She-Hulk's bodies.



Aeolus451 on 20 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Did you watch that vid? How do you explain why they removed bikini outfits? Honestly, what sweden does is irrevelent in the video game market. 

As for your excuse of why they censored those games. The simple solution is to just adjust the ages of the fictional characters. The japanese have done that before with other games and mediums. The new nintendo boss has a different viewpoint on this censorship compared to the old one. 

In just one game they went from censoring the touching the characters minigame to taking out bikinis. There's already a bit of a snowball effect. It wouldn't take much for nintendo censor more of their games. 

The girls look underage and Fire Emblem Fates has quite a few young female characters. Adjusting the age would only work to a certain degree, because at some point it becomes too obvious of a cheap excuse. Nevermind that the adjusted age might not fit the dialogue and personality of the characters anymore, and there are plenty of conversations in Fates. So the simplest solution remains the removal of a few outfits, because it has no impact on gameplay and story.

Writing off Sweden, Norway and Denmark as non-factors is a poor attitude to have. Nevermind that if you did that, you would also have to accept that you and others could be written off as non-factors, especially because your numbers are lower than the number of consumers in the aforementioned scandinavian countries. You would basically remove yourself from the argument and show yourself the door. Is that your wish?

And yes, what a snowball effect. We all should be concerned that Nintendo's self-censorship will eventually impact meaningful content, because appeasing countries like Sweden is equal to making a pact with the devil. Okay, that was too dramatic.

You used that "meaningful content" again. Isn't "meaningful content" subjective? I consider all forms of fanservice important because it has an impact on the consumers who actually play the games. With that being mentioned, why bother having something in a game meant as fan service if only to remove it to appeal to certain vocal but mostly small political groups within western countries? Nintendo is pandering to the wrong people. The main reason why I wrote off sweden in this because feminism is a strong there and it's a poor example to how the west would react to something like sexual based fan service.   



Zeroroute on 20 February 2016

I'm more bothered by the localization quality. Imagine if Treehouse did Planescape Torment

Morte: YOLO!
Nameless One: LOL TBH NO, DO YOU EVEN REBIRTH BRO?



Dunban67 on 20 February 2016
RolStoppable said:
Dunban67 said:

then you must llive in the middle east -    

your argument is getting thin and fanboyish-  

At least I have an argument. You said that age ratings exist for a reason, but it's already clear from the link I posted that a PEGI 18 rating wouldn't have made distribution of Dead or Alive Dimensions in Sweden possible. Because of that, Nintendo employs self-censorship to not run into such an issue to begin with. And because we know the reason why Nintendo employs self-censorship, we have a good idea what they will and what they won't censor in the future. Meaningful content isn't at risk of being removed.

your just makng another fan boy argument playing fast and loose w the facts - this issue is not about which console maker you prefer and align yourself with - 

it is about censorship and its cause in given situations - i dont care which console you like nor does that factor into the issue