Stickball, this is the list of announced WiiWare games so far: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WiiWare_games

You wanted other major titles?

LostWinds is a full blown 2.5D platformer with a unique design and great graphics for a download title.

Eternity's Child is a stylized 2D platformer that was actually canceled on Xbox Live and moved to WiiWare and DS due to size limitations caused by HD graphics and the Live Arcade size limit.

Everyone's Pokemon Ranch lets you wirelessly transfer up to 1000 of your Pokemon from your DS straight to your Wii and raise them, interact with them via Miis, take pictures of them, and trade them to your friends through their ranches.

A personal favorite of mine is the $5 reimagining of the flash game Defend Your Castle with the amazing new art style. Oh and before anyone criticizes paying for a Flash Game, that's what N+ and flOw are.

Along with these are a bunch of really cool puzzle games like the physics based World of Goo, the classic Tetris, the revival of Dr. Mario, the ever-present Bomberman, and the puzzle shooter Plättchen Twist 'n' Paint.

Most of the announced WiiWare games that support multiplayer also support online multiplayer. Some are priced better than others (it's at the discretion of the developer basically), but there is an extremely wide range of interesting announced WiiWare games already, many of which compete with and even Surpass the best of Xbox Live Arcade's originals in complexity.

^How can you compare WiiWare to XBLA when you haven't played either.

I have played Xbox Live Arcade, and I'm quite capable of reading game information.  Unless all of these developers are lying about what's in their games (technically possible I suppose), I have a pretty good idea of what will be included in them.  Many of them I've seen videos of in action as well.  Stickball was pointing out future XBLA games that he didn't think would be matched by games of comparable complexity on Wii (games like Castle Crashers).  I was responding to that with future WiiWare games that appeared to be of equal or greater complexity.  Fair enough right?

Mind telling me which titles, exactly, surpass the best of XBLA's upcoming list?

 Braid:

Dishwasher Samurai:

WarWorld:

Ikaruga:

Castle Crashers:

And those are just for starters. It doesn't include the great remakes and sequal franchises like Lode Runner, Mr. Driller Online, Gridrunner++, and the smaller less-anticipated IPs such as Defense Grid, Axiom, Schitzoid.

 So I don't really see how the WiiWare lineup is going to be any better, outside of fanboys thinking it will...Because the fact is, even if every title is AAAA, upcoming XBLA titles in the same period of time will be just as good for top-tier titles, but XBLA will have about another 20-30 mid-level titles, remakes, and arcade ports. So which service will be better?

@Legend11, I was saying WiiWare could be a better environment for new games (rather than classics).

@mrstickball, do you know if WiiWare titles can be downloaded to an SD card. Because 4GB SD cards can be had for 25USD (store or internet). Even if it's an afterthought (which I don't agree with the vernacular), this is clearly an option, a good one at that as it's cheap. As for this option being susceptible to piracy, the Wii likes to be connected to the internet (people want to play brawl, and shortly mario kart, online and download VC titles), so they can control pirated content when the Wii connects to the internet.

@thread, seems like any time XBLA is mentioned now WiiWare becomes the focal point.

A few things stickball,

First of all, please don't use the term "AAA" as it's a ridiculous meaningless term. Especially for future games of which we don't know the quality. All we know is potential and features. That's what we should compare. It's ridiculous to apply your opinion of these games to their future review scores, as so far only one XBLA game has exceeded 90% on gamerankings and only two on IGN.

Now, if we want to compare games on an individual level:

Braid vs. Eternity's Child

Both artistic platformers, although Eternity's Child is made by an actual famous artist, both should be great games.

I'm not really sure what Dishwasher Samurai is... looks like a side-scrolling flash game by an unknown developer.

WarWorld looks really cool. That's one game I hadn't seen yet. I'm a sucker for a mech game. I don't see anything similar announced for Wii, but that's not to say that the Wii doesn't have it's own unique games that aren't coming to Live either (I'll discuss that more after this). Also, if we count Virtual Console then Sin & Punishment would be a great substitute for a 3D action shooter like this.

Ikaruga is an overhead shooter. Hardly rare. That said, Ikaruga is a known good game (averages 85% on Gamerankings), so I'd give Live the Advantage just for the known IP. Here's Star Soldier R by Hudson for WiiWare.

And finally Castle Crashers. I have no screens of a Wii game of similar style, but I do know of another co-operative online WiiWare called Gravitronix with 8 player online side-scrolling battles. Again, I'd give the advantage to Xbox Live in this particular genre.

All that said...

Here are some WiiWare games that don't have comparable substitutes on Xbox Live Arcade:

World of Goo

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life As King

Pokemon Farm

LostWinds

And although there is just concept art of it so-far, this is one of my most anticipated WiiWare games. It's called LIT. It's a horror puzzle game from the Contra 4 studio exclusive to WiiWare.

Although WiiWare may not match every genre that Live Arcade does, it certainly is more than a match for Live in the complexity of the games being developed. Hell, some of the games like Eternity's Child and Butterfly Garden started as Live titles (Butterfly Garden is multiplat). WiiWare also has some unique games that have no comparable substitute on Live; just as Live has some that aren't on WiiWare. To call the WiiWare service inferior given what we know seems ridiculous, but that much I'll grant you is an opinion you have the right to.

 It just seams like your attacking XBLA for no reason other than to say WiiWare is going to be better.  

To the contrary, I'm not the one who brought up WiiWare.  It was brought up by others early in the topic, and then Stickball brought it up again in his post which I was responding to. I said that the Wii offered superior quality of game library with Virtual Console, and comparable quality of future games are announced with WiiWare.  I'm arguing (on the topic) that XBLA is not a superior digital arcade service. 

It is if you only look at new titles, but only for a short time.  Look at reviews for PSN titles and look at how quickly it's gaining on Live Arcade in quality digital titles.  Then look at the feature sets for the Wii Ware games coming in a few months.  I believe that XBLA is the weakest overall online arcade system against Virtual Console/WiiWare and PSN. 

IMO this is because of 2 things:  1) WiiWare and PSN share comparable new development and 2) They have much larger and more impressive backlibraries which Live is simply not able to compete with.

...And it always seems that when we talk about VC and XBLA comparisons, you always pop up to defend VC since it's the be-all-end-all of gaming....

Also, how does PSN have better back libraries when there are 31 titles released across all 3 regions, with 0 regions getting all of the said titles?

And why are we not mentioning the growing library of Xbox Originals - doesn't that count for anything, since Microsoft is offering last-gen games on their service, whereas N/Sony are releasing games atleast 2 gens ago?

I would gladly agree that VC is very impressive, but it's impressive not because of Nintendo's effort into the catagory, but the fact that the Wii naturally inherited the NES, SNES and N64's great library of Nintendo games.

And again, PSN is not growing that quickly against XBLA:
3 PSN Game titles have been released since January:

PixelJunk Monsters
SkyDiving
Rocketmen: Axis of Evil

2 PSOne games have been released in the US since January:
Crash Bandicoot 3
Judge Dredd

How is that better than XBLA/Xbox Originals:

XBLA:
Metal Slug 3
Omega 5
Tron
Boogie Bunnies
Rez HD
Chessmaster LIVE
Poker Smash
Commanders: Attack of the Genos
Discs of Tron
N+
Rocketmen: Axis of Evil
Bliss Island
Brain Challenge

Xbox Originals:
Burnout Takedown
Ninja Gaiden Black
Black
Sid Meijers Pirates!


Yes, 3PSN Games and 2 PSOne games versus 13 XBLA games and 4 Xbox Orig. games......Very impressive gains indeed, Naznatips.

This is an unfair advantage but it only can do so much. Kind of like the 360's 1 year advantage on the competition. Don't get me wrong XBLA is great but credit has to be given to PSN and VC. Although I do think VC is overrated because they charge too much for an emulator. I could play all of the VC games for free on my PC.

The thing Naznatips isn't noticing is that Wii Ware is already heading down the path of XBLA. There are already remakes on the list and the service hasn't been launched yet. The same way a developer cursed XBLA because the Frogger remake outsold his new game, a developer can curse Wii Ware because Dr. Mario outsold his new game. I mean when we really look at it the complaints don't hold much merit. I can't wait to see what happens when a dev gets pissed at Wii Ware. What do they do then? Plus there is no question wether or not VC will affect Wii Ware. It will because just like with the XBLA retro crowd, these are games the people know. In my opinion it may be worse since Nintendo has more star power affiliated with there VC titles.

So in the end it looks like Nintendo's great back catalog of VC games could be a gift and a curse. I tell you right now most people would rather play Super Mario Land then Eternity's Child!