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walsufnir said:

I am surprised how many think that exclusives are that much of a factor to buy a console, really. Of course it is one part of the equation but look at which games sold the most last gen: it was multiplatform games.
If we take VGC's numbers and assume that exclusives are one of the main reasons, if not the main reason and that every exclusive game is a reason to buy a console and that there is no overlap, meaning that people don't buy multiple exclusives on one console and take playstation3:

HW total: 86.29

Best selling exclusives:

Gran Turismo 5 (the only exclusive being in the top 10) : 10.73
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception : 6.79
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves : 6.68
The Last of Us : 5.88
LittleBigPlanet : 5.88
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune : 4.92
God of War III : 4.82
Resistance: Fall of Man : 4.33
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue : 4.20
MotorStorm : 3.87
Sports Champions : 3.84
Gran Turismo 6 : 3.47
LittleBigPlanet 2 : 3.39
Heavy Rain : 3.07
Killzone 2 : 3.01
inFAMOUS : 2.92
Killzone 3 : 2.76
God of War Collection : 2.60
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction : 2.56
Resistance 2 : 2.47
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Total : 88.19

So it takes 20 exclusives to overcome the total amount of consoles sold, with Resistance being at number 71 in the overall list. The tie ratio for PS3 is 11.02.
I think it is clear that people only use exclusives as an argument on enthusiast forums, the majority buys games, no matter if it is exclusive or not. There are way more reasons to go for a console than just exclusives, as indicated by several points in this post.

Playstation 3, had over 200 Exclusives, you is just using 20, Exclusives is what sell consoles, (even if the other exclusives sold a average of 500 Thousands units, already is 180 Millions of exclusive games sold, and already is enought to make the Plataform worth, and make the Exclusives be the Reason to purchase the console) people purchase Multiplataform, after that, Exclusives is what sell consoles, if 1 People purchased the console for 1 of those exclusives, instead of geting it on Xbox 360, or on PC, already is Worth.

 

Is Funny how Exclusives suddenly does not matter, is what sell consoles, Only because Microsoft, does not want to push Xbox One's hardware sales, does not means that Exclusives, are not what move 10000000000% of the hardware sales, 3 Exclusives per person already is much, and enought to make the person chose that Plataform, over the another.

 

And you forgot Metal Gear Solid 4, that sold 6 Millions on Playstation  3, is a exclusive, if is not made by Sony, but is a Exclusive, still count, this put.

God of War Ascencion, sold more than 2.2 Millions units.

more 1.8 Millions from another Ratchet & Clank game,

1.8 Millions from Demon Souls,

1.8 Millions of Infamous 2,

 1.7 Millions of Beyond Two Souls,

1.7 of Kingdom Hearts,

1.65 of Heavenly Sword,

1.51 of Ni no Kuni,

other Motorm storm for 1.31 Millions,

1.25 Millions of Socom,

1.23 Millions of Tales of Xillia,

other Kingdom Hearts,  1.21 Millions,

1.19 Millions of One Piece Warriors,

1.14 Ninja Gaiden Sigma,

 1.14 Hot shoot golfs,

1.14 Sing Star,

1.13 Ratchet & Clan all in one

1.12 ModnationRacers.

1.12 Yakuza 3.

1.07 Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm

1.05 Warhawk

0.95 Yakuza 4

 

With those exclusives already is 124+ Millions of exclusives sold, More than all the Call of Duty games that launched on Playstation 3, more than All Assasin's creed, and any other game series that launched on Playstation 3.

 

With the other Exclusives that VG Chartz, don't track, can be 200+ Millions,  or even more, and already is a good thing, 70% of the 124 Millions of Exclusives, made the people want the Console, and sold the Hardware, already is more than 84 Millions units of Hardware sold, for the Main Exclusives, and still had a lot of other exclusives that would Add Dozens of Millions of Software sales,  Fat Princess, also did very well on Sales, but VG Chartz, don't track it.

 

Exclusives do move Hardware, otherwise, people would move to PC, and just Upgrade their PC, over the Years, and would be able to play any Exclusive, and Multiplataform, also play Moba, and MMORPG,  cheaper than Paying 1000+ US$ per generation to own all the Consoles.



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CGI-Quality said:

I edited your post to reflect that I agree with what remains!



zero129 said:

1.Where did i say that the isnt gamers who buy a console for exclusives?. 

2.Clearly if you are a hardcore gamer (Not fan) and one console has exclusive games on it that you want to play you are going to have no other choice but to buy that console 

3.This is consumer negitive unless your the HArdcore Fan of a System, as you are giving no choice in the matter other then to play or not to play. But to play, it means owning an extra system thats costing money that could of been used for other things such as more games.

4.In the past the was a need for exclusives

5.Fact is exclusives only matter to the Hardcore fans of a system and to the makers of them systems.

6.Also yes MS exclusives coming to PC is a good thing and even if they where going to the PS4 that would still be a good thing as then more people get to play why would this be a negitive as long as PS4 games also ended up on xbox in return??.

1. No, u didnt say this. Also I did not say u said this.

2/3. Yes. It works that way. I see no negatives here - I simply choose the best option. Also, I can buy a second/third/PC console if the makers prove that it is worth it - look at my 360/PS3 part. Did I " lose " money on it ? No. I simply get an acces to where I want to be. If only the makers shows anything interesting , there is a lot that I can do. It's sad to say this, but games nowadays are too repetable to me.

4. No, that was more financial/technical issue if u ask me. If we compare this gen to the previous gens, we see the huge part of games are multiplats what makes choose a little bit easier. 

5/6. "All games on one platform " dream looks perfect, but I believe in competition.

I have to say that Xbox One, with Spencer on board looks better and better day after day for me, but now - if they announce a game that drives me crazy - i will rather upgrade my PC than purchase One. It will be cheaper for me, it will runs it better.



zero129 said:
Swordmasterman said:

Playstation 3, had over 200 Exclusives, you is just using 20, Exclusives is what sell consoles, (even if the other exclusives sold a average of 500 Thousands units, already is 180 Millions of exclusive games sold, and already is enought to make the Plataform worth, and make the Exclusives be the Reason to purchase the console) people purchase Multiplataform, after that, Exclusives is what sell consoles, if 1 People purchased the console for 1 of those exclusives, instead of geting it on Xbox 360, or on PC, already is Worth.

 

Is Funny how Exclusives suddenly does not matter, is what sell consoles, Only because Microsoft, does not want to push Xbox One's hardware sales, does not means that Exclusives, are not what move 10000000000% of the hardware sales, 3 Exclusives per person already is much, and enought to make the person chose that Plataform, over the another.

 

And you forgot Metal Gear Solid 4, that sold 6 Millions on Playstation  3, is a exclusive, if is not made by Sony, but is a Exclusive, still count, this put.

God of War Ascencion, sold more than 2.2 Millions units.

more 1.8 Millions from another Ratchet & Clank game,

1.8 Millions from Demon Souls,

1.8 Millions of Infamous 2,

 1.7 Millions of Beyond Two Souls,

1.7 of Kingdom Hearts,

1.65 of Heavenly Sword,

1.51 of Ni no Kuni,

other Motorm storm for 1.31 Millions,

1.25 Millions of Socom,

1.23 Millions of Tales of Xillia,

other Kingdom Hearts,  1.21 Millions,

1.19 Millions of One Piece Warriors,

1.14 Ninja Gaiden Sigma,

 1.14 Hot shoot golfs,

1.14 Sing Star,

1.13 Ratchet & Clan all in one

1.12 ModnationRacers.

1.12 Yakuza 3.

1.07 Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm

1.05 Warhawk

0.95 Yakuza 4

 

With those exclusives already is 124+ Millions of exclusives sold, More than all the Call of Duty games that launched on Playstation 3, more than All Assasin's creed, and any other game series that launched on Playstation 3.

 

With the other Exclusives that VG Chartz, don't track, can be 200+ Millions,  or even more, and already is a good thing, 70% of the 124 Millions of Exclusives, made the people want the Console, and sold the Hardware, already is more than 84 Millions units of Hardware sold, for the Main Exclusives, and still had a lot of other exclusives that would Add Dozens of Millions of Software sales,  Fat Princess, also did very well on Sales, but VG Chartz, don't track it.

 

Exclusives do move Hardware, otherwise, people would move to PC, and just Upgrade their PC, over the Years, and would be able to play any Exclusive, and Multiplataform, also play Moba, and MMORPG,  cheaper than Paying 1000+ US$ per generation to own all the Consoles.

Except exclusives are not stopping people from doing this, since all console exclusives end up on PC even if the console manafactures dont want that.

If this was the case most of the AAA 3rd party games would be selling best on PC but yet thats not the case. So clearly even if PC had all exclusives it still wouldnt really effect console sales since people buy consoles for different reasons to why people buy PC's. So we really shouldnt be making this look like the only people who would benefit from exclusives going away are PC gamers since its console gamers that would benfit the most.

People purchase the Multiplataform on the Consoles, because they already had Spend the money on the Hardware, and the Consoles can run the game at a good Quality, but if all the Exclusives that you want would be on PC, you would chose PC, and PC, also have much more piracy than Consoles, we still have a lot of games that  people Download for PC.

 

And what is the Benefit from Making Exclusives go to PC ?, the Consoles gamers don't have any benefit, just that their Consoles will sell less, have Less support, and less Third Party Deals, and First Party games.

 

Did you think that Microsoft, the same Microsoft, that Pais Billions for Skype, Billions for Nokia, Billions for Minecraft, don't have the money to pay 60 Millions of US$ on the Development of the game ?, they paid atleast 20 Millions for Square Enix, otherwise they would not get the Tomb Raider timed deal, so don't came here to say that Without games releasing on PC, would not have sequels, and that Games are becoming more Expensive to produce, because i'm tired of hear such things.

 

Ratchet & Clank, a Franchise that don't sell on Blockbuster levels, aways was Exclusive, now have the 6-7 Sequel for the franchise, Digimon, a Franchise that sell less than 1 Million per game, nearly all the games are Playstation Exclusives, with some exception of 3DS Version, and the game is on their 27-31's Sequel, and out there have a lot of exclusives that sell enought to secure a Sequel.

 

Xbox One, will be very Damaged on Sales, if all their exclusives came for PC, while Nintendo, and Sony, will became so Strong, that if Xbox, try to release any new console, will be Destroyed by Sony, or Nintendo's consoles, because now you are planting the Seed, the Seed that all your exclusives are coming for PC, and even if you say that don't will come, does not means that is True, and this seed can Harm Xbox One, and Really Kill Xbox Two.

 

Is much Damage on the Long Run, only to get some Bucks, from PC, and i don't thing that is this much, with the 2.5 Billions that Microsoft, gave For Minecraft, was enough to make 40 Games on The Witcher 3's Size, or 35 games on Metal Gear Solid V's Size, so they had the money to use for Exclusives.



Swordmasterman said:

 

Xbox One, will be very Damaged on Sales, if all their exclusives came for PC, while Nintendo, and Sony, will became so Strong, that if Xbox, try to release any new console, will be Destroyed by Sony, or Nintendo's consoles, because now you are planting the Seed, the Seed that all your exclusives are coming for PC, and even if you say that don't will come, does not means that is True, and this seed can Harm Xbox One, and Really Kill Xbox Two.

It depends. If MS will publish awesome games W10/Xbox One only, and Sony and Nin will lagging behind, I will switch to X1/W10. I dont get why people are so emotionally linked to publisher - the matter is not who publish the games or where u can play it, the matter is how good these games are and how many of them u will see in the future on ur platform.

Sony is the most safe pick now - even if some of their games will be weak like TO1886, there is still a chance their next game will be awesome, and they have the biggest menu to choose.

Look at Nintendo - they make crazy good games on Wii U, but u can count them on one hand fingers. Even if they will sell Wii u for 50 $, i will not buy it - the value isnt here.



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KingofTrolls said:
Swordmasterman said:

 

Xbox One, will be very Damaged on Sales, if all their exclusives came for PC, while Nintendo, and Sony, will became so Strong, that if Xbox, try to release any new console, will be Destroyed by Sony, or Nintendo's consoles, because now you are planting the Seed, the Seed that all your exclusives are coming for PC, and even if you say that don't will come, does not means that is True, and this seed can Harm Xbox One, and Really Kill Xbox Two.

It depends. If MS will publish awesome games W10/Xbox One only, and Sony and Nin will lagging behind, I will switch to X1/W10. I dont get why people are so emotionally linked to publisher - the matter is not who publish the games or where u can play it, the matter is how good these games are and how many of them u will see in the future on ur platform.

Sony is the most safe pick now - even if some of their games will be weak like TO1886, there is still a chance their next game will be awesome, and they have the biggest menu to choose.

Look at Nintendo - they make crazy good games on Wii U, but u can count them on one hand fingers. Even if they will sell Wii u for 50 $, i will not buy it - the value isnt here.

No, they cannot do this, only because a game is made on Windows, and is made with DirectX, does not means that need to Release on Xbox One, and a Game that want to be sucessful, will not ignore a Install base so Huge of Playstation 4, to make a Exclusive, on a Console Install Base, that even Microsoft it-self, is Hurting their own sales.

I Can count a lot of good games on Wii U, but the console don't receive a lot of releases over the year because only Nintendo, make games for the Wii U, but you have Baiyonetta, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros,  Super Mario 3D World, Splatoon, Xenoblade Chronicles, but the only games coming are Zelda, Star Fox, and Pokken Tournament, are good games but not enought for a Console that don't have third party support.

 

Windows Store, cannot compete with Steam, and they are killing their only way to compete agaist Sony, so is not a good move, because if they don't have sucess with the Windows Store, and the exclusives coming for PC, hurt Xbox One's sales, they will have a hard time to come back.

 

And i almost forgot. Microsoft's worst move was make they-self seems like Liars, is more worth you pay Remedy, or anyone else with some Hundreds of Millions of US$, than hurting your public Image, now we don't know how much games will came for PC, because Microsoft, marketed a game for 3 Years as a exclusive, only to announce 6 weeks from launch, that it will launch on PC Day one, and this hurt the confidence on Microsoft, as a Gaming company, and this is worse than sending the Exclusive for PC.



slab_of_bacon said:
Eddie_Raja said:

What position is that?

-PC isn't slower and you can "Get gaming" just as fastly

-If you bring up cost it is also a moot point.  The PS4 is good performance for the money, but the X1 can be built for $300.

 

I stated a fairly clear position in the first post you replied to.  There were numerous people saying they don't need/want an Xbox One because some of their software is going to be available on PC.  I'm not anti-PC and I'm not anti-console but I am saying that there are different attributes which appeal to people and based on those people chose to use these devices.  Thus, brash generalizations about what kind of effect this software being available elsewhere won't have a large impact that those people have made it out to be.  

 

I agree, but you haven't mentioned them.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja said:
slab_of_bacon said:

 

I stated a fairly clear position in the first post you replied to.  There were numerous people saying they don't need/want an Xbox One because some of their software is going to be available on PC.  I'm not anti-PC and I'm not anti-console but I am saying that there are different attributes which appeal to people and based on those people chose to use these devices.  Thus, brash generalizations about what kind of effect this software being available elsewhere won't have a large impact that those people have made it out to be.  

 

I agree, but you haven't mentioned them.

 

And I don't need to.

 



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KingofTrolls said:
zero129 said:

This. The only people who Exclusives really matter to are the Hardcore fans of them systems ,

But the truth is to about 80-90% of the people who buy a console exclusives are not a deciding facter and is more to do with Brand awarness.

Consoles can survive even without exclusives the same way DVD/Bluray players have.

For me the benefits of exclusives going away far outnumber the negitives (I dont even think the would be any negitives).

100 % wrong. Playstation 3 is the best example that proper exclusive support can save the console. The only reason I bought my PS3 back then in 2011 were the exclusives, same as I did with 360 earlier in 2009 ( previous gen i was PS2 only gamer ). Better games, more games - it's my choice.

If - for example - it was Valve releasing TLoU or Demons Souls on PC i would buy hardcore PC Rig and play it on my PC. Simple as that. Also, I never bought a multiplat for PS3 - I bought it on 360 - they were simply better.

 My Xbox/PC only friends jump into PS3 after TLoU, Ni no Kuni, U2 etc release,- it was 2011/2013 and yes it was a deciding factor for them. Nobody bought PS3 for its awesome 512 MB RAM or sub30fps multiplats, man.

There are no PS4/Xbox One/PC Hardcore fans of " them system " - there are only hardcore gamers, divided between 4 ( yes, Wii U still existed ) platforms, that caters to them the most. If one platform becomes better ( in their opinion ) that other one, they will switch immediately - compare Wii U and PS3 to it's ancestors. There is no brand loyalty here, I can't see it and I am into gaming for over a decade. This time it is PS4, with its acceptable multiplats and biggest exclusives line up.

Yes, exlusives do not sell as much as multiplats - hardcore gamers are divided as I mention earlier, many of them own 2+ gaming platforms and are simply outnumbered by casuals that is able to pay huge money for one shitty DLC, with content that will make - for example - PS2 gamer kill them with laught. Also, games are  dumbed down now ( look at Tomb Raider in 2015 and in 2000's - huge difference ) and many of my PS2 era friends simply quit gaming. One more thing - exlusive games generally have weaker marketing than multiplats, I think it is possibly a huge factor.

Xbox One exlusives going PC are good only for : MS as a game publisher and so- called  PC master race ( u got a nice sig there +1 ), commonly known for creating online petitions if only there is any good game only on console. 

 

 

 

You are only 1 of over 80 million people. Why people actually buy a console is a complex topic and, while you believe probably otherwise, be assured that over 80 million people didn't buy a PS3 because it had the better exclusives. There are so many reasons that people decide for a console over the other. It is not a single-reason buying decision for many which doesn't mean that this also applies to you.



walsufnir said:

 

You are only 1 of over 80 million people. Why people actually buy a console is a complex topic

I agree. I just explained my point on view on this topic.