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Aura7541 said:
Puppyroach said:
Isn't it fascinating how people who criticize liberal values in this thread, that we are to tolerant and open, want us to say no to immigrants who flee countries free of liberal values, that are intolerant and closed?

So... silencing valid criticism of people that originate from countries that promotes anti-women/anti-gay culture and even condones sexual slavery of non-believers is a liberal value? Sneaking in the word, "flee", in order to refute a position that opponents never held and conflating disagreement with intolerance do not help either...

I also question your argumentative priorities. It seems that you're more concerned about painting yourself in a moral light than refuting counterarguments. When it comes to such serious political topics, emotions need to be cast away.

There are lots of people in all of Sweden who are willing to take on any religion be it muslims or christians or Jehova's withnesses (the worst of them all in terms of annoyance). Comedians, politicians, humanists, etc. We do it all the time.

The difference is that most serious people take the angle of pointing out the flaws of religions and trying to get people to shake off the oppressive religious authorities.

The problem is that there are people who approach it from the angle of "Look at those dirty others with their barbaric beliefs. They will destroy our society. They are irredeemable. They need to be thrown out".

There is a world of difference between those camps.



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Nettles said:

So you think 90% of republican politicians support the death penalty for gay people? Get a grip, this is real life.

Still waiting for you to tell me the majority muslim countries who support gay marriage

, good luck keeping such laws when Sweden becomes islamic majority within the next 20 years.

As for my own views i think if gay pride marchers are able to march in Christian or Athiest majority areas they should be able to march in Islamic areas.Why the heck not? Yet the Swedish left disagrees, any gay prise march through muslim areas is "racist" (what race is islam?) 

The left, protesting AGAINST a gay pride parade? And you wonder why people think Sweden has gone batshit insane?http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/07/swedish-left-wing-outraged-over-gay-pride-parade-that-wants-to-march-through-muslim-areas/

No, but I think a vast majority oppose gay marriage (I think it´s the party´s officla stance but I am not sure), gay pride parades and a few also think being gay should be illegal or that business owners should be able to refuse service to gay people because of their religion. In russia, being homosecual acts is already illegal.

As far as I know, no muslim majority country support gay marriage, and only about 10% of all countries in the world support gay marriage. So this issue is a lot migger than muslim majority countries but it is a serious issue when it comes to those countries.

And I agree with you, if you want to have a gay pride parade, you should be able to hold it in every public space, just as with any other parade, demonstration and the likes.  But it´s mainly the far right that oppose gay rights in Sweden, I haven´t heard any press releases from muslim organizations opposing it, but maybe I have missed it. As far as I understand from the article, some people opposed the parade because it was arranged by a specific political party, not against gay pride, since those that protested arranged one of their own? So it seems that it was a case of people having different views on why you should have a gay pride parade, or have i misunderstood the article? I haven´t heard about this case, but maybe its true.



Goatseye said:
M0ney are you a Latvian native or Russian descent?

Why are you asking? I am Latvian.



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m0ney said:
Goatseye said:
M0ney are you a Latvian native or Russian descent?

Why are you asking? I am Latvian.

Just asking. Now it's clear to me why you have a racist and bigot view on your posts.

After all, most of you guys are still infatuated with the Nazi Party. Weren't your folks the ones to volunteer to form a Wehrmacht division?

Killed Romas and Jews like flies? And hold memorials to this day for the fascist war veterans?

 

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Goatseye said:

Just asking. Now it's clear to me why you have a racist and bigot view on your posts.

After all, most of you guys are still infatuated with the Nazi Party. Weren't your folks the ones to volunteer to form a Wehrmacht division?

Killed Romas and Jews like flies? And hold memorials to this day for the fascist war veterans?

Wow. To be fair I like any other Latvian am aware of these slanderous theories but I'm shocked to see this nonsense here. Most of it is complete bs, some of it is partly true but you must know context before you throw any accusations around, it is clear that you don't know sh*t. I suggest you learn history from other sources than soviet communist.



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m0ney said:
Goatseye said:

Just asking. Now it's clear to me why you have a racist and bigot view on your posts.

After all, most of you guys are still infatuated with the Nazi Party. Weren't your folks the ones to volunteer to form a Wehrmacht division?

Killed Romas and Jews like flies? And hold memorials to this day for the fascist war veterans?

Wow. To be fair I like any other Latvian am aware of these slanderous theories but I'm shocked to see this nonsense here. Most of it is complete bs, some of it is partly true but you must know context before you throw any accusations around, it is clear that you don't know sh*t. I suggest you learn history from other sources than soviet communist.

Replace "Latvia" with "Sweden", and "communist" with "far-right", and you have a pretty good reply against what you have been doing with this thread ;)



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KungKras said:
Nettles said:

So you think 90% of republican politicians support the death penalty for gay people? Get a grip, this is real life.

Still waiting for you to tell me the majority muslim countries who support gay marriage

, good luck keeping such laws when Sweden becomes islamic majority within the next 20 years.

 

As for my own views i think if gay pride marchers are able to march in Christian or Athiest majority areas they should be able to march in Islamic areas.Why the heck not? Yet the Swedish left disagrees, any gay prise march through muslim areas is "racist" (what race is islam?) 

The left, protesting AGAINST a gay pride parade? And you wonder why people think Sweden has gone batshit insane?http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/07/swedish-left-wing-outraged-over-gay-pride-parade-that-wants-to-march-through-muslim-areas/

Yes, citing the trusted source of whaleoil.co.nz, they know what's up in Sweden!

That news story was just ridiculus. It was a nice excercise in reading with third grade critical thinking skills though. Basically the editor in cheif of an SD sympathizing newpaper wanted to make a "pride parade" through only muslim heavy areas. So naturally people were outraged that SD tried to hijack the gay pride movement for their own sinister agenda. Nothing weird about that.

Meanwhile in reality, when it's time for a real pride parade in gothenburg rainbow flags and posters are up everywhere in every neighbourhood. I know because I live there.

As for your earlier point of them holding homophobic views etc. Noone is saying that many of them don't, that's a strawman of yours. That is why we need to do a good job with something called integration.

What site do you want then? The Independant? And you call me out for "strawman" arguments? Hahaha... http://www.independent.co.uk/news-19-4/sweden-right-wingers-plan-lgbt-march-through-stockholms-muslim-majority-neighbourhoods-10415932.html

The point is homosexuals should be able to do a gay pride march through whatever neighbourhood they wish.When Sweden is majority muslim in 20 years will gay pride parades only take place in tiny rural villages so as not to offend the muslims in the big cities? The left protesting against gay pride marches just because they take place in muslim neighbourhoods is an extreme form of the white saviour complex.



m0ney said:
Goatseye said:

Just asking. Now it's clear to me why you have a racist and bigot view on your posts.

After all, most of you guys are still infatuated with the Nazi Party. Weren't your folks the ones to volunteer to form a Wehrmacht division?

Killed Romas and Jews like flies? And hold memorials to this day for the fascist war veterans?

Wow. To be fair I like any other Latvian am aware of these slanderous theories but I'm shocked to see this nonsense here. Most of it is complete bs, some of it is partly true but you must know context before you throw any accusations around, it is clear that you don't know sh*t. I suggest you learn history from other sources than soviet communist.

Isn't it terrible when people generalize, come with half-truths or straight out lies? :)



Nettles said:
KungKras said:

Yes, citing the trusted source of whaleoil.co.nz, they know what's up in Sweden!

That news story was just ridiculus. It was a nice excercise in reading with third grade critical thinking skills though. Basically the editor in cheif of an SD sympathizing newpaper wanted to make a "pride parade" through only muslim heavy areas. So naturally people were outraged that SD tried to hijack the gay pride movement for their own sinister agenda. Nothing weird about that.

Meanwhile in reality, when it's time for a real pride parade in gothenburg rainbow flags and posters are up everywhere in every neighbourhood. I know because I live there.

As for your earlier point of them holding homophobic views etc. Noone is saying that many of them don't, that's a strawman of yours. That is why we need to do a good job with something called integration.

What site do you want then? The Independant? And you call me out for "strawman" arguments? Hahaha... http://www.independent.co.uk/news-19-4/sweden-right-wingers-plan-lgbt-march-through-stockholms-muslim-majority-neighbourhoods-10415932.html

The point is homosexuals should be able to do a gay pride march through whatever neighbourhood they wish.When Sweden is majority muslim in 20 years will gay pride parades only take place in tiny rural villages so as not to offend the muslims in the big cities? The left protesting against gay pride marches just because they take place in muslim neighbourhoods is an extreme form of the white saviour complex.

I already explained to you what was wrong with the event you posted. You and your previous link it trying to spin it as if people are protesting a gay pride parade through muslim areas. That's not why people are protesting. They are protesting because the guy who wants to organize this march is affiliated with SD, and layed it out to only go though immigrant-heavy areas. They don't want the gay pride movement to be hijacked by SD. If it was the real gay pride movement doing it and marching through an entire city including some immigrant areas, noone would complain.

What's going to happen in 20 years is what has happened already with muslims who came here. Most will stick nominally to their religion but not really following it. If you look at demographics you can see that only about 25 000 out of 300 000 are devout enough to even pray 5 times a day. Give it a generation or two and most won't be very religious. Longer and they won't even be religious by name. A lot of people from a muslim background who happen to turn out gay will leave the religion and participate in the pride marches. That's what will happen.



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Questions for Swedes :
According to HSBC house prices rose 18% in Sweden in 2015.Article : http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hsbc-sweden-housing-bubble-not-sustainable-2016-1?r=UK&IR=T

1.If house prices rose 18% how much did wages grow? Is this sustainable?
2.If house prices rose 18% in one year why is the government persisting with negative interest rates?
3.Are you concerned about social stability in the event of an economic crash brought on by a collapse in the housing bubble, if not why?
4.How could the government support 160,000 new migrants per year in an economic crash when they are housing thousands in tents now?