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Soundwave said:
Wyrdness said:

 


Why would a revision be using a different custom chip then other models? The statement is clear, she said new custom business so a new custom chip is being manufactured, she even mentioned MS and Sony separately before that part.

 

 

Oh wait... i'm the one in denial? LOL!

Love how people here love to cherry pick the rumors and statements they consider true and false and wich to twist around. It's a beautiful story.



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I just find the obsession over it being released in a certain window becoming humorous at this point because it's become so ridiculous.

So a November 2016 launch = end of the world, no way, can't happen, I'll KILL YOU MIYAMOTO! Don't you DARE!

But March 2017 or something = "eh, I guess that would be OK".

lol, 4-5 months makes that big of a difference? 

In 3 years none of you guys will give two shits about the Wii U and probably won't remember much about any of this. It will be a foot note in Nintendo's history as a poorly received console that went quietly into the night, no big deal. The consoles simply just facilitate Nintendo GAMES (that's what's important). Do any of you wake up with cold sweats still to this day about the GBA being replaced early? 

I hope Nintendo just shows the NX soon so the conversation can shift from "They can't launch now! 5 years is a holy commandment! You're DOOMED! They can't bre -- is that the new Mario for NX? Holy crap! It looks awesome! Ergmagawd! Nintendo is BACK! WORLD DOMINATION! You're dead Sony! OMG, this shared library thing is going to revolutionize the world!"

I can already see this 180 happening basically right on cue. 



Soundwave said:

I just find the obsession over it being released in a certain window becoming humorous at this point because it's become so ridiculous.

So a November 2016 launch = end of the world, no way, can't happen, I'll KILL YOU MIYAMOTO! Don't you DARE!

But March 2017 or something = "eh, I guess that would be OK".

lol

In 3 years none of you guys will give two shits about the Wii U or when it was replaced. The consoles simply just facilitate Nintendo GAMES (that's what's important). Do any of you wake up with cold sweats still to this day about the GBA being replaced early? 

 

By the same logic it can release next month. Pretty sure you are generalising though. 

I simply don't see them having the resources to do it, besides the fact that they actually confirmed officially that the NX is not the sucessor of the 3DS and Wii U nor would they rush anything to the market. Of course, by some people's logic's here they can just be lieing with all their teeth, because reasons. Any normal person concludes the logical, wich is that nothing is coming out this year. 

It's that simple. The denial river is coming from those trying to spin statements into lies, development cycles for new console software below 2 years and reading things that aren't there in chip manufacturers reports. The desperation to find some proof is itself the proof that there is none. Its all made up.



Nem said:
Soundwave said:

I just find the obsession over it being released in a certain window becoming humorous at this point because it's become so ridiculous.

So a November 2016 launch = end of the world, no way, can't happen, I'll KILL YOU MIYAMOTO! Don't you DARE!

But March 2017 or something = "eh, I guess that would be OK".

lol

In 3 years none of you guys will give two shits about the Wii U or when it was replaced. The consoles simply just facilitate Nintendo GAMES (that's what's important). Do any of you wake up with cold sweats still to this day about the GBA being replaced early? 

 

By the same logic it can release next month. Pretty sure you are generalising though. 

I simply don't see them having the resources to do it, besides the fact that they actually confirmed officially that the NX is not the sucessor of the 3DS and Wii U nor would they rush anything to the market. Of course, by some people's logic's here they can just be lieing with all their teeth, because reasons. Any normal person concludes the logical, wich is that nothing is coming out this year. 

It's that simple. The denial river is coming from those trying to spin statements into lies, development cycles for new console software below 2 years and reading things that aren't there in chip manufacturers reports. The desperation to find some proof is itself the proof that there isn't none. Its all made up.

 

There's no evidence the product is rushed. They haven't supported the Wii U or 3DS for shit for a while and their release schedule for both is bare bones looking ahead. 

There's your dev resources here. 

You're never going to get any "proof" from Nintendo because they don't give any before a formal actual announcement. 

There's no desperation from me, I don't really care when they release it. To be honest I don't even expect NX to be that successful given market realities even though I suspect they will improve on the Wii U/3DS in many areas.  It could do well, but given the trajectory their hardware has been on for a while now, I think they'd probably need a minor miracle and that's probably an unfair expectation to have. It'll have some great Nintendo games on it though so I'll buy one no matter what. 

If they launch this year, so be it. It's not a big deal, you get play Nintendo games on better hardware sooner (the horror!).



Soundwave said:
Nem said:

 

By the same logic it can release next month. Pretty sure you are generalising though. 

I simply don't see them having the resources to do it, besides the fact that they actually confirmed officially that the NX is not the sucessor of the 3DS and Wii U nor would they rush anything to the market. Of course, by some people's logic's here they can just be lieing with all their teeth, because reasons. Any normal person concludes the logical, wich is that nothing is coming out this year. 

It's that simple. The denial river is coming from those trying to spin statements into lies, development cycles for new console software below 2 years and reading things that aren't there in chip manufacturers reports. The desperation to find some proof is itself the proof that there isn't none. Its all made up.

 

There's no evidence the product is rushed. They haven't supported the Wii U or 3DS for shit for a while and their release schedule for both is bare bones looking ahead. 

There's your dev resources here. 

You're never going to get any "proof" from Nintendo because they don't give any before a formal actual announcement. 

There's no desperation from me, I don't really care when they release it. To be honest I don't even expect NX to be that successful given market realities even though I suspect they will improve on the Wii U/3DS in many areas.  It could do well, but given the trajectory their hardware has been on for a while now, I think they'd probably need a minor miracle and that's probably an unfair expectation to have. It'll have some great Nintendo games on it though so I'll buy one no matter what. 

If they launch this year, so be it. It's not a big deal, you get play Nintendo games on better hardware sooner (the horror!).

 

Yes! You're not to get proof until Nintendo shows it. So, why not wait for the announcement rather than trying to pass fantasy for fact(not saying you specifically, but several people)? None of this has even been hinted by Nintendo. The whole fusion thing for example, completely made up in the internet and people pass it as fact.

Its not. Just understand that we know nothing and wait for the unveil. Discussing it is all and good, but there is nowhere to draw certainties from.

I don't know where you are seeing horror though. Are you looking at this as these things are beeing said cause people have a personal wish for the Wii U to carry on? As far as i know Nintendo themselves have also said that they will continue to support the Wii U. So, who knows? All we know is that they will reveal "details" about the NX this year. Thats it. 

So, i do wish we would dial it back and wait until we know what the NX actually is. But... the internet.



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Soundwave said:

Do any of you wake up with cold sweats still to this day about the GBA being replaced early? 

 

 

At least twice a week



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Nem said:
Soundwave said:

 

There's no evidence the product is rushed. They haven't supported the Wii U or 3DS for shit for a while and their release schedule for both is bare bones looking ahead. 

There's your dev resources here. 

You're never going to get any "proof" from Nintendo because they don't give any before a formal actual announcement. 

There's no desperation from me, I don't really care when they release it. To be honest I don't even expect NX to be that successful given market realities even though I suspect they will improve on the Wii U/3DS in many areas.  It could do well, but given the trajectory their hardware has been on for a while now, I think they'd probably need a minor miracle and that's probably an unfair expectation to have. It'll have some great Nintendo games on it though so I'll buy one no matter what. 

If they launch this year, so be it. It's not a big deal, you get play Nintendo games on better hardware sooner (the horror!).

 

Yes! You're not to get proof until Nintendo shows it. So, why not wait for the announcement rather than trying to pass fantasy for fact(not saying you specifically, but several people)? None of this has even been hinted by Nintendo. The whole fusion thing for example, completely made up in the internet and people pass it as fact.

Its not. Just understand that we know nothing and wait for the unveil. Discussing it is all and good, but there is nowhere to draw certainties from.

I don't know where you are seeing horror though. Are you looking at this as these things are beeing said cause people have a personal wish for the Wii U to carry on? As far as i know Nintendo themselves have also said that they will continue to support the Wii U. So, who knows? All we know is that they will reveal "details" about the NX this year. Thats it. 

So, i do wish we would dial it back and wait until we know what the NX actually is. But... the internet.

Thing is you keep saying "these are coming from nowhere" but they're not. They're coming from comments direct from Iwata (with regards to the unification stuff and wanting a new definition of video games ready for about 2016, he even gave a direct time line), patent leaks, reports from reliable, proven sources (ie: Nikkei has a proven track record with Nintendo stories, they are the ones reporting that NX dev kits were given to third parties a few months ago). 

It's not like people randomly making these things up from out of thin air. There's an awful lot of smoke here and a fairly estbalished pattern of behavior from Nintendo as to how they act when they have moved on from a console (Wii U has all the tell tale signs of Nintendo bailing out on it). 



Miyamotoo said:
Soundwave said:

A lot of things really line up that Nintendo basically started planning the NX project in 2014. 

Iwata mentioned a new definition of gaming coming that would take two years to realize in 1st half 2014, at the end of 2014 they sign a deal with Sharp for free-form LCDs which won't be available until 2016 for mass production (we know now these types of LCDs are likely for a game controller per patent leaks), in 2014 AMD apparently wins a new gaming contract, and just now they reiterate they have a new semi-custom gaming business coming in 2nd half of 2016. 

It looks an awful lot like Nintendo started making the central vendor component deals for NX back in 2014. 

Actually Nintendo start talking about new platform in January 2013, that doesnt mean they decided back than to release new platform in 2016 exactly, they probably chose 2016. like launch year sometime in 2014. when they realized that Wii U want take off.

This whole Iwata quote is from January 2013, basically exactly 3 years ago. So nobody can say they rushing with 2016. release date when basically they planning new platform around 4 years (at end of 2016. will be around 4 years).

 

Iwata:

Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html



 

Sounds like they are headed towards something like ipod, iphone, ipad with their handheld and console. 



Aeolus451 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually Nintendo start talking about new platform in January 2013, that doesnt mean they decided back than to release new platform in 2016 exactly, they probably chose 2016. like launch year sometime in 2014. when they realized that Wii U want take off.

This whole Iwata quote is from January 2013, basically exactly 3 years ago. So nobody can say they rushing with 2016. release date when basically they planning new platform around 4 years (at end of 2016. will be around 4 years).

 

Iwata:

Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html



 

Sounds like they are headed towards something like ipod, iphone, ipad with their handheld and console. 

Yes, thats probably most obvious thing about NX.



Aeolus451 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually Nintendo start talking about new platform in January 2013, that doesnt mean they decided back than to release new platform in 2016 exactly, they probably chose 2016. like launch year sometime in 2014. when they realized that Wii U want take off.

This whole Iwata quote is from January 2013, basically exactly 3 years ago. So nobody can say they rushing with 2016. release date when basically they planning new platform around 4 years (at end of 2016. will be around 4 years).

 

Iwata:

Last year Nintendo reorganized its R&D divisions and integrated the handheld device and home console development teams into one division under Mr. Takeda. Previously, our handheld video game devices and home video game consoles had to be developed separately as the technological requirements of each system, whether it was battery-powered or connected to a power supply, differed greatly, leading to completely different architectures and, hence, divergent methods of software development. However, because of vast technological advances, it became possible to achieve a fair degree of architectural integration. We discussed this point, and we ultimately concluded that it was the right time to integrate the two teams.

For example, currently it requires a huge amount of effort to port Wii software to Nintendo 3DS because not only their resolutions but also the methods of software development are entirely different. The same thing happens when we try to port Nintendo 3DS software to Wii U. If the transition of software from platform to platform can be made simpler, this will help solve the problem of game shortages in the launch periods of new platforms. Also, as technological advances took place at such a dramatic rate, and we were forced to choose the best technologies for video games under cost restrictions, each time we developed a new platform, we always ended up developing a system that was completely different from its predecessor. The only exception was when we went from Nintendo GameCube to Wii. Though the controller changed completely, the actual computer and graphics chips were developed very smoothly as they were very similar to those of Nintendo GameCube, but all the other systems required ground-up effort. However, I think that we no longer need this kind of effort under the current circumstances. In this perspective, while we are only going to be able to start this with the next system, it will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture. It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.

Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html



 

Sounds like they are headed towards something like ipod, iphone, ipad with their handheld and console. 

Yeah, that's why a lot of us assume that the NX will have a handheld and console form factor whenever we speculate about it.