Well, my comparisons are between now and times when no studies were done. I tried to find any study that's reliable on this and haven't found one. Also, how would you know if it actually prevented a crime versus a person just doing it anyway? Its not like a criminal would just be honest about it. There's other ways to look at it. 

If we lowered the punishments for breaking traffic laws, would traffic violations increase or decrease?  If punishments for breaking laws weren't really detering people, why bother with the law/rule or the punishment for breaking 'em? Why have prisons or police?  

The whole point of punishments for breaking laws is to deter the masses or anyone that's thinking about it but it doesn't stop all crime. 

It's basically impossible to even do a trial run of what I want in the country that I live in. Shit would have to hit the fan for them to consider it. 

"Also, how would you know if it actually prevented a crime versus a person just doing it anyway?"

yeah that was a bad request but that's why i stated that crime rates have been dropping as punishments have been becoming less harsh

i ommitted a detail though i meant specifically violent crime 

http://www.citylab.com/crime/2015/09/violent-crime-rates-still-declining/408103/

so there does appear to be a direct correlation between punishments for violent crimes becoming less harsh and their occurances falling

"It's basically impossible to even do a trial run of what I want in the country that I live in. Shit would have to hit the fan for them to consider it."

the problem here is that a lot of people can't seem to accept that society will never be perfect because man is intrinsically flawed

what we can do is try to find a reasonable balance between safety and freedom but recently there seems to be a shifting towards security over freedom

Well, we don't know if that's because of lenient punishment or some other reason. We also don't know if it's even accurate. 

its not it completely defies what we actually see in reality which is why i'm asking for an actual case where this has been shown

Women having more testosterone than other women defies science? Men having less testosterone than other men defies science? These are my examples that I listed before and you think it goes against reality? You want examples? Lookup polycystic ovarian syndrome and you will find cases where women produce way more testosterone than the average woman. There are also many genetic conditions that can lower a male’s testosterone level or not have a sufficient amount since birth. They still develop into men.

Men and women both have ALL the exact same hormones, just different balances of each one. Your argument is that since one has more than the other they are psychologically different. But not all men have the same testosterone levels and not all women either. I'm arguing that psychology is not bound by sex. Any random woman can be violent, even though most may not be. Same goes for men.

Any psychological state that a woman can be in, a male can be in as well and vice-versa.

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well your beliefs actually seem very religious to me and completely defy science... which is what amuses me about many atheists they go around bashing theists for supposedly irrational beliefs while they themselves believe in a lot of ridiculous horseshit and they somehow don't see how they are similar to theists in that way

i must tell you that its the funnist thing in the world to see this for what it is

I don't remember stating any beliefs.

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do you think that i'm saying that women are a different species to men? if you don't what was the point of posting this?

What? no...what the...?? Yeah!!!! I think you think women are a different species to men, derp derp. More stupid questions…

The chimp was used to illustrate my point that we can't just use what we see as factual evidence. Science proves that chimps, although look heavily different from people, share THAT much of the same DNA as us. I don't care about some random person’s anecdotal evidence; I care about empirical evidence sustained through the process of science.

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you still haven't answered my question which is why does the progression to one or the other occur?

Oh, sorry you didn't get the analogy...XY sex-determination system. Talks about chromosomes. Yeah, I believe we learned about this in... grade 2? Your welcome. Come back when you're done reading, k? We'll discuss further if you're thirsty for more.

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ah yes absolute thinking either something must be the same or completely different... there can be no shades of grey where there are both differences and similarities

good lord what are they teaching you in school these days?

Wouldn't know since I think school is a complete waste of time unless you want to work for a company. I’ve mentioned the shades of grey, thanks.

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can you quote this?

We’ve already been through this and it lead to you re-asserting that physiology and psychology were linked to one another to which I gave an argument to which you gave an argument and now we are here. It’s ok for you to place my point towards psychology in the direction of physiology since they are both linked in your opinion. Makes sense.

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i agree correlation is not causation but where is your disproof that it is actually testosterone that impacts aggression?

I don't have any disproof and I haven't claimed that I do. I'm on the side guessing testosterone would be a contributing factor to aggression in people but the evidence, although seemingly obvious, is inconclusive.

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you keep asking questions that to me are so obvious that i'm wondering what kind of life experience you have

lets say we have two guys one who is very muscular and another who is small and skinny... who are you more likely to pick a fight with and why?

Yay, fallacious questions! The skinny guy since he probably only produces as much testosterone as the average woman. Not a serious answer btw.

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well obviously since it is impossible to test all people with high testosterone

actually the video is right to some degree since men are indeed more predatory with regards to sexual activity because men have higher sex drives and society places the burden of initiating sexual contact on men generally

 my problem with the video is that its intended to guilt and shame men for actions they in most cases have never even imagined committing... to ultimately put them in a mindset like what you appear to have right now

I don’t in any way support the video so what kind of mind-set do you think I have? It is what it is, not what you think it is. I think all people should be held accountable for their actions, not just a select group or gender. When I’m arguing towards the fact that women and men are psychologically the same I’m speaking on a scientific foundation. This video was a social presentation that provided no evidence towards the notion that men are the way they think men are. Instead, the video depicts improper views of men and uses faith/anecdotal claims as evidence instead of putting forth an empirical argument. The video is a fallacious object used to garner the attention of anyone who may be weak-minded enough to follow it.

Your assertion that my mind-set falls in line with this video is hilarious and shows how little credibility your claims have on me.

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you are contradicting yourself within this very sentence lol 

Let me use a better example. A man with larger muscles doesn’t always have a more aggressive attitude. If physiology and psychology were linked in the manner you propose then explain Napoleon complex, otherwise known as small man syndrome?

What I am saying is that exemplifying the opinions as expressed in this thread will only negatively effect your relationships with (the majority of, but not all) female peers. This doesn't just include the females you may be sexually interested to; a lot of people (male and female, young and old) may lose respect for you if they hear you advocate that opinion. Using Hentai as an example was a poor attempt at humor - connecting to how Hentai portrays women being connected to the views expressed, and a loss of friends leading to sexual frustration and a longing for companionship... but I digress. Obviously that isn't a guaranteed outcome.

Moving past that, I do believe in the values I am fighting for, and tbh I'm not sure how you came to the opposite conclusion. Don't put words into my mouth please.

All in all, I disagree with the opinion that women should be at fault when they are raped. Again it is an absurd notion in my head, but I won't gain any ground trying to convince you of my opinion. Just please, if you do anything at all, read about the Suffrage movement or any other legitimate feminist movement (not the hateful men are pigs movement) before you make up your mind on women's rights. And please at least reconsider the view of women being at fault for rape.

Surely, harsher punishments won't prevent all crimes from happening but it would stop some before they happened because of the "would be" criminals that sit on the fence called risk & possible punishment versus reward. 

Just wanted to say thank you for expressing so well what a lot of us also believe, but can't express that well. You're a true ambassador of this site and you prevent some of us from losing all hope in humanity. Reading some articles without being prepared to hate them no matter what would be a big step forward for vgc and the internet as a whole.