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SpokenTruth said:
OdinHades said:
Batshit crazy feminists. They already have equal rights, they even have loads of privileges and yet they just can't stop complaining. Welp, I simply don't care anymore. They are not worthy of my attention.

Equal rights under the law, perhaps, but far from equal rights by society.  As a male, we rarely see this simply because it's not a direct impact on us. 


Simple test, how would any of us feel if our mothers were violated?  Or our daughters?  The problem is institutional, not legal.  And we suck at grasping that difference and recognizing the subtleties they generate.

We are blasting the messenger here.  Could the video be better in promoting the message without insinuating guilt by gender?  Certainly.  But that's a cop out, a scapegoat to allow us to snub noses at an issue we'd rather sweep under the rug than look at ourselves as a collective with the scrutiny that's warranted because we're too damn cowardly and egotistical to do it.




Of course there are differences, but you can't get rid of those completely. I think that women have it good enough. Just try and open a fitness studio only for men. Go ahead, I beg you. See how fast that shit gets taken out by feminists. In fact, try to do ANYTHING just for men. It's not possible anymore, because it's sexist. But clubs just for women? Totally fine, because men are bad.

That is just one of many examples. There's also the fact that men are by far more often victims of violent crimes than women and they are far more likely to commit suicide. So what the hell are feminists still complaining about? As a man, you are more likely to get brutally killed before you reach the age of 20. Is anyone complaining about that? Should we tell murders not to murder? Or should we maybe tell people not to be completetly fucking morons and look out for themselves? 

I'm sorry, but I'm really getting tired of all this BS.



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All this video and this thread did was make me sad. There's a lot of straw man arguments here too. There shouldn't be a need to throw out crazy situations in order to make some sort of impactful argument. Those situations are more designed to cause ill response than actual thoughtful discourse. Don't fall for it guys.



SpokenTruth said:
OdinHades said:
Batshit crazy feminists. They already have equal rights, they even have loads of privileges and yet they just can't stop complaining. Welp, I simply don't care anymore. They are not worthy of my attention.

Equal rights under the law, perhaps, but far from equal rights by society.  As a male, we rarely see this simply because it's not a direct impact on us. 

Simple test, how would any of us feel if our mothers were violated?  Or our daughters?  The problem is institutional, not legal.  And we suck at grasping that difference and recognizing the subtleties they generate.

We are blasting the messenger here.  Could the video be better in promoting the message without insinuating guilt by gender?  Certainly.  But that's a cop out, a scapegoat to allow us to snub noses at an issue we'd rather sweep under the rug than look at ourselves as a collective with the scrutiny that's warranted because we're too damn cowardly and egotistical to do it.

We would fell bad, and that is the reason the law is against it and why we don't let our close females to get wasted on unsafe enviroment, but you seem to want that we go for a impossible realm where no one must care for their safety because all the others will.

If both man and woman are wasted and they have sex is that a rape? Because in several of the claims about rape they say that the woman wasn't conscient enough to consent (there was no force involved) but don't accept that the equally not conscient to act properly man are consciently commiting a crime.

John2290 said:
DonFerrari said:

Didn't you see that a poor man, living in a drug alley, working in the dumpster or mine have a much better live and safier enviroment than a wealth girl?

I was also that drug addct (not behind a dumpster but I came close) for a few years, but if I was ever seen with a woman it would instantly be me who was eneabling her or a bad influence. Its like feminst don't understand hoe contradictory their whole belief system is the woman are these weak creatures that need protecting yet they don't need protecting, how odd and the fact the some women are more abusive than men. I've been kicked in the balls many times by woman (as well as pinched, punched, slapped and hit with various objects) and only once was I deserving of it yet I have never raised a hand to a woman. 

All the problems of the world are made by men and women are only weak because of men, if no men existed no women would be weak. And that is how they make reason on their mindless heads. And it's equally possible that a very sexy girl is used to bait a guy to drugs as a abusive man makes his girl use drugs, but yes it'll always be the men that were the bad influence, even if we background check and see that the guy was prosperous and conscious until he met the girl that were already good for nothing.

Never got my nuts kicked (just have minor incidents praticing sports), feel sorry for you.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I'd be interested to know how many women end up being molested/raped/harassed due to the absolutely ludicrous drinking age in the United States, which forces people who are 16-21 who want to get drunk, to do so in unsafe environments, like "frat houses" and private parties.

EDIT: Not only does this put the women in an unsafe environment, but also results in both men and women drinking more in one sitting than they otherwise would. Many men who become "pigs" when black-out drunk, most probably would not act anywhere near as atrociously if they were much more sober.



SamuelRSmith said:

I'd be interested to know how many women end up being molested/raped/harassed due to the absolutely ludicrous drinking age in the United States, which forces people who are 16-21 who want to get drunk, to do so in unsafe environments, like "frat houses" and private parties.

EDIT: Not only does this put the women in an unsafe environment, but also results in both men and women drinking more in one sitting than they otherwise would. Many men who become "pigs" when black-out drunk, most probably would not act anywhere near as atrociously if they were much more sober.

Like this legislation prohibits anyone from drinking in their own houses right? And what about the 12-14 shouldn't they also be allowed to drink so they also don't need to go to these places to get drunk?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:

Like this legislation prohibits anyone from drinking in their own houses right? And what about the 12-14 shouldn't they also be allowed to drink so they also don't need to go to these places to get drunk?

It does prohibit people from drinking in their own houses, yes. The US is (somewhat) unique in that in many places, consuming alcohol is a criminal act, as well as purchasing it.

The reality of how things work is that one person is able to get their hands on lots of alcohol, either through fake ID, or an older friend, and they throw parties, usually in a private place without sober supervision (eg, usually either in a woods or park, or in somebody's home when the parents are out of town).

If adults want to get drunk in the UK, you know where they can go? To a pub or bar. Filled with sober barmen, waitresses, and security guards, and a much higher marginal cost-per-drink (simple economics dictates that this will result in less binging).

But, don't ask me, ask the three states that will attempt to lower the drinking age this year: New Hampshire, Minnesota, and California



A_C_E said:
o_O.Q said:

"Why purposefully misrepresent what I'm saying?"

what misrepresentation? you said there are no psychological differences and i gave one example of why that is wrong

There is no pshychological difference between the sexes, it all depends on the individual. All points in the brain are the same for male and female. Any psychology claim that a female can make is the same possible psychological claim that a male can make. And don't give me examples of pregnant women please, I've already got a response for that kind of arguement. A females neurons are ported through axons to the same areas as they are in males. Some females, on average, end up porting more to the amygdala than the average male but that doesn't make females psychologically different when it all works in the EXACT same fashion. You can say women's psyche is different than men all you like, their brain is still working in the EXACT same fashion as a males brain.

 

"You honestly believe I don't know about the effects of testosterone and aggression? "

lol well if you do then why are we having this conversation?

Because you misrepresented me lol...

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"women have testosterone as well!"

yes in comparatively small quantities which is why it is well known in society that men are comparatively more aggressive and ascertive on average

This does not negate that women have testosterone which was exactly my point that women's bodies are made up of and work the exact same way as a male's body 99% of the time. You could go ahead and list all the different placements of body parts and fluids and chemicals you like, but you will only be listing less than 0.5% of the female anatomy/cell structure/psyche. You pick.

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"I have never said I would call my female friends over to help me move."

its what we call a hypothetical situation... i used it as an example to demonstrate that there are situations where we automatically assume men are more capable than women and that is for a very very obvious reason

Better answer - I would call whoever I wanted to hang out with, whether that's women or men depends on my mood or who's available.

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" If you think men are above women because men are better at basketball "

its hilarious that you can talk of misrepresentation ( which i have not done ) when you post this nonsense... who said any gender was above the other? go back and find me any example of me saying that shit i beg you

Hence the 'if', sorry but when you make it sound as though no one would call a girl up to help them move when it happens all the time then...I think it's justified. You should be thankful that I even put 'if' in there.

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"You see, because I have morals, I am willing to accept women, blacks, hispanics, etc. as socially capable people."

that truly warms my heart it really does but its irrelevant and i hope you aren't saying here that i don't accept women because i acknowledge that they are different to men? because if that is your implication here then again you are wrong

Not my implication at all and I wouldn't stoop so low as to imply that.

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you haven't at any point here disproven my claim all you've really done as most people like you do is try to assume the so called moral high ground and it simply amazes me how people don't see the strings that are causing them to dance

I don't think you understand just how scientific my definitions are. I am pointing out that a persons capability is structured towards, but not limited to, a persons sex. This style of thinking engages the proponents of an individuals capabilities as opposed to the ever recycled 'battle of the sexes' cliche. The notion that women can't do what men do or that men can't do what women do is an arguement you have already brought up when you asked me, "Who wold you call to help you move, a guy or a girl"...what a question to highlight your bias.

 

"You can say women's psyche is different than men all you like, their brain is still working in the EXACT same fashion as a males brain."

 

you already stated that you understand the effect of testosterone meaning that you understand that it is responsible for the increased aggression in men men... how do you account for this if men and women are the same? do you not consider increased aggression to be a behavioral trait?

and besides that if men and women are pretty much the same why is this ad directed towards men specifically as if men are in fact different? as if it takes into account that men are more sexually predatory?

what i should probably ask you first of all though is if you even understand what the psychological aspects of a person are because i'm starting to believe that you can't, not with the contradictory things you are posting

 

"Because you misrepresented"


it would be great if you could provide an example i can actually provide two examples where you misrepresented me 

 

"This does not negate that women have testosterone which was exactly my point that women's bodies are made up of and work the exact same way as a male's body 99% of the time. "

 

here's a thought experiment for you i want you to go outside and light a fire and when you have done so toss a small scrap of paper on it, then take a large heap of paper and toss those on.... notice a difference?

well what you are trying to argue now and i honestly cannot believe that you are posting this is that larger amounts or concentrations of hormones have no impact on the body or behavior which is to be blunt a stupid argument

 

"Not my implication at all "


so why go on that truly heart warming tirade about how you accept people of different races and sexes? it was obviously to present contrast to someone you believe to be the opposite and if i'm wrong please tell me what the purpose of posting that was

 

"The notion that women can't do what men do or that men can't do what women do is an arguement you have already brought up "

 

hey how many men have you ever observed giving birth? none? really? no way!... this is a very obvious example but there are significant differences between men and women both physically ( obviously )and behaviorally, i listed one major one above and i'm not going to bother with more because if you honestly can't see it then there really is no helping you - you would've allowed the narrative you've been provided to circumvent your ability to observe and make conclusions on this topic

 

".what a question to highlight your bias."

 

if you don't think you're biased then you are hopelessly naive... there is no person that exists that is free from bias, everytime someone tries to use that argument to paint the opposing argument as flawed i just cringe

now i'm going off on a limb here in saying from what i can tell you seek to be seen by others as a good moral person and fear with a passion someone thinking you are sexist and while that's all noble and great and stuff it is a control mechanism... a control mechanism that will take you further and further into dreamland... but i could be wrong here its just my speculation

if you really seek to better the world then it must be with the truth not feel good nonsense



SpokenTruth said:Equal rights under the law, perhaps, but far from equal rights by society.  As a male, we rarely see this simply because it's not a direct impact on us. 


Simple test, how would any of us feel if our mothers were violated?  Or our daughters?  The problem is institutional, not legal.  And we suck at grasping that difference and recognizing the subtleties they generate.

We are blasting the messenger here.  Could the video be better in promoting the message without insinuating guilt by gender?  Certainly.  But that's a cop out, a scapegoat to allow us to snub noses at an issue we'd rather sweep under the rug than look at ourselves as a collective with the scrutiny that's warranted because we're too damn cowardly and egotistical to do it.



Of course there aren't equal rights by society. Rhetorically, your argument implies that one sex would only get the short end of the stick, and the other would only have the sugar on top. But that is not the case.

It all depends on the matter; in some things it's better for the men and worse for women, whereas some things are better for women and worse for men. You just don't see the feminists shouting out loud how unequal men are to women. In part this is because feministic narrative thinks women are worth nothing unless they're men. In feminism, it's not about making women and men equal, but making women into men.

Equivality in feminist narrative doesn't mean making things better, but equal. If one man is standing in shit to his knee and other man to his ears, both are equal when the other guy is taken standing in shit to his ears too, while constructive solution would be getting both of guys off the shit.

The white feminism isn't constructive because it is easier to destroy than construct. If you'd actually be constructive, everyone would actually have the same goals and there wouldn't be polarisation and bad guys. If there weren't bad guys, there wouldn't be anyone to drive your political agenda. Behind the hatred, you'll find political stand either purple-black or purple-red, that advocates more or less direct attack (usually violence as means of revolution) on the modern society. And, I used the term hatred because that's the word the feminists themselves use.





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Mr.Playstation said:
WolfpackN64 said:
betacon said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Great, another thread that puts all feminists in the same basket...

No most people understand the difference between what a minority thinks and labelling a group under the same blanket, videos like this should be highlighted and criticised for the load of shit it is.

I'm not saying you can't critizise th video here, but the OP is very un-nuanced.



Goddamit why can't we as man just stick up as one group for once and fight over an injustice rather than protecting woman.

 

"Bros before hoes" can we all follow that mantra for once and not become a walking robot whenever a female is involved.

 

This video is utter nonsense ( Not to mention makes you as a male look like a hormine infused rapist )and I can't believe you're still going on over the use of the word feminist in the OP. Get a hold of yourself.

 

You're literally watching a video calling YOU an idiot, rapist, stalker... but you still decide to stand up for woman. Just uhhh....

 

Exactly, you can't even critisize women today, because reasons which are mostly bullshit. But calling or picturing every man as a female hating stalking rapist is totally fine. But it seems man are having no trouble with double standards and will defend women regardless what they are saying, even though there is little equality in that. Meanwhile in British politics you get laughed at if you want to discus man problems and female problems are underlighted 





Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

SamuelRSmith said:
DonFerrari said:

Like this legislation prohibits anyone from drinking in their own houses right? And what about the 12-14 shouldn't they also be allowed to drink so they also don't need to go to these places to get drunk?

It does prohibit people from drinking in their own houses, yes. The US is (somewhat) unique in that in many places, consuming alcohol is a criminal act, as well as purchasing it.

The reality of how things work is that one person is able to get their hands on lots of alcohol, either through fake ID, or an older friend, and they throw parties, usually in a private place without sober supervision (eg, usually either in a woods or park, or in somebody's home when the parents are out of town).

If adults want to get drunk in the UK, you know where they can go? To a pub or bar. Filled with sober barmen, waitresses, and security guards, and a much higher marginal cost-per-drink (simple economics dictates that this will result in less binging).

But, don't ask me, ask the three states that will attempt to lower the drinking age this year: New Hampshire, Minnesota, and California

I'm ignorant of US law so please show me where it's forbbiden that minor drink in home... and if they can stop you from drinking alone in your house how can't they stop people drinking in a party that is blatantly obvious is happening.

SpokenTruth said:
OdinHades said:

Of course there are differences, but you can't get rid of those completely. I think that women have it good enough. Just try and open a fitness studio only for men. Go ahead, I beg you. See how fast that shit gets taken out by feminists. In fact, try to do ANYTHING just for men. It's not possible anymore, because it's sexist. But clubs just for women? Totally fine, because men are bad.

That is just one of many examples. There's also the fact that men are by far more often victims of violent crimes than women and they are far more likely to commit suicide. So what the hell are feminists still complaining about? As a man, you are more likely to get brutally killed before you reach the age of 20. Is anyone complaining about that? Should we tell murders not to murder? Or should we maybe tell people not to be completetly fucking morons and look out for themselves? 

I'm sorry, but I'm really getting tired of all this BS.

Women only style clubs are an outlier and they do get challenged in court.  But do we stop at trying to change society just because they can now work out by themselves?

Violent crime against men isn't being ignored.  Nor should we ignore women's issues just because men attack other men.  That's like saying we should ignore what's going on in Indiana because there is already a different problem in Montana.

DonFerrari said:

We would fell bad, and that is the reason the law is against it and why we don't let our close females to get wasted on unsafe enviroment, but you seem to want that we go for a impossible realm where no one must care for their safety because all the others will.

If both man and woman are wasted and they have sex is that a rape? Because in several of the claims about rape they say that the woman wasn't conscient enough to consent (there was no force involved) but don't accept that the equally not conscient to act properly man are consciently commiting a crime.

Naturally I do not want an environment free of self regulation and security.  Not exactly sure how you concluded I did.  That said, you fail to understand that her inability to consent due to not being conscient isn't an automatic consent nor does not being conscient absolve the rapist from guilt. Further, how many other crimes are deemed non-crimminal on the grounds of being inebriated?  In fact, that usually ascerbates the charges.   Assault charges aren't dropped just because the assailant was drunk.

Yes, you want the law to solve all the problems, you don't want people to take care of their regulation you want to artifically remove risks.

So for you it's no double standard to say both being equally inebriated and having no violence involved a girl is the victm and the man a rapist? For real?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."