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Thunderbird77 said:
Faelco said:

 

Come on, no way the PS4 sell as much or more in 2016 compared to 2015.

 

Final Fantasy 15, Persona 5, Street Fighter V, maybe Dragon Quest 11, Yakuza and other small games against the huge Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3? PS4 will flop in Japan in 2016, obviously. 

Possible new competition, uncertainty about the success of those titles.

A new main entry in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Persona are a pretty sure bet. PS4 will very easily outdo 2015's sales in 2016.



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Shadow1980 said:

Well, that's another year down. Here's how every system performed this year in chart form:

 

 

Just want to say thanks for providing these charts.



                            

Shadow1980 said:

More graphs can be provide on request.

I think one graph that would be interesting is aligned launch cumulative sales of 7th and 8th gen consoles to see how the PS4 is performing in comparison to the PS3 and the Wii U at the same point in time. I don't know if it would be easy to do based on the data you have but don't trouble yourself if it's too complicated.



outlawauron said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Faelco said:

 

Come on, no way the PS4 sell as much or more in 2016 compared to 2015.

 

Final Fantasy 15, Persona 5, Street Fighter V, maybe Dragon Quest 11, Yakuza and other small games against the huge Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3? PS4 will flop in Japan in 2016, obviously. 

Possible new competition, uncertainty about the success of those titles.

A new main entry in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Persona are a pretty sure bet. PS4 will very easily outdo 2015's sales in 2016.

Final fantasy is uncertain, persona is rather niche and dragon quest is 2017 and multiplatform. final fantasy may be multiplatform too and there's the added factor of competition.





Carl2291 said:
Shadow1980 said:

Well, that's another year down. Here's how every system performed this year in chart form:

 

 

Just want to say thanks for providing these charts.

 

You are in luck, Carl, I know the perfect place to express your appreciation.



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Thunderbird77 said:
outlawauron said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Faelco said:

 

Come on, no way the PS4 sell as much or more in 2016 compared to 2015.

 

Final Fantasy 15, Persona 5, Street Fighter V, maybe Dragon Quest 11, Yakuza and other small games against the huge Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3? PS4 will flop in Japan in 2016, obviously. 

Possible new competition, uncertainty about the success of those titles.

A new main entry in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Persona are a pretty sure bet. PS4 will very easily outdo 2015's sales in 2016.

Final fantasy is uncertain, persona is rather niche and dragon quest is 2017 and multiplatform. final fantasy may be multiplatform too and there's the added factor of competition.



Final Fantasy is a guaranteed million seller, Persona 5 should finish near 400k (which is quite notable), and Dragon Quest XI isn't confirmed to be 2016, but it won't be far off and DQ: Builders and DQ Heroes 2 are coming for certain in 2016. DQ Heroes sold over 800k on PS3/PS4. These are big titles that will push a lot of hardware. Whether they're multiplatform or not doesn't really matter, especially in the case of PS4/X1. The only ones you can really argue is something like DQ Heroes or Builders where the PS4 version won't be primary (Same with XI, but even then, PS4 version is certain million seller).

Not to mention the several titles that will do well throughout year (Star Ocean, Yakuza, Street Fighter V, Attack on Titan, Dark Souls 3, and One Piece Burning Blood will all do 100k+ easily). The games I just mentioned are just in the first 4 months too. 



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outlawauron said:
Thunderbird77 said:
outlawauron said:

A new main entry in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Persona are a pretty sure bet. PS4 will very easily outdo 2015's sales in 2016.

Final fantasy is uncertain, persona is rather niche and dragon quest is 2017 and multiplatform. final fantasy may be multiplatform too and there's the added factor of competition.



Final Fantasy is a guaranteed million seller, Persona 5 should finish near 400k (which is quite notable), and Dragon Quest XI isn't confirmed to be 2016, but it won't be far off and DQ: Builders and DQ Heroes 2 are coming for certain in 2016. DQ Heroes sold over 800k on PS3/PS4. These are big titles that will push a lot of hardware.

Not to mention the several titles that will do well throughout year (Star Ocean, Yakuza, Street Fighter V, Attack on Titan, Dark Souls 3, and One Piece Burning Blood will all do 100k+ easily). The games I mentioned are just in the first 4 months too.

Final Fantasy has a good shot at 1 million if it's actually good and exclusive, but it could end multiplatform with NX if it is a home console. Same for dragon quest XI (wich even has a 3ds version). Dragon quest builders doesn't seem like it wil sell much and 800k across two platforms isn't much for DQH. It certainly has a number of releases that will push hardware in different levels but the possibility of a new platform, better and getting the same multis + nintendo exclusives can't be ignored and would affect ps4 sales greatly.





Thunderbird77 said:
outlawauron said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Final fantasy is uncertain, persona is rather niche and dragon quest is 2017 and multiplatform. final fantasy may be multiplatform too and there's the added factor of competition

Final Fantasy is a guaranteed million seller, Persona 5 should finish near 400k (which is quite notable), and Dragon Quest XI isn't confirmed to be 2016, but it won't be far off and DQ: Builders and DQ Heroes 2 are coming for certain in 2016. DQ Heroes sold over 800k on PS3/PS4. These are big titles that will push a lot of hardware.

Not to mention the several titles that will do well throughout year (Star Ocean, Yakuza, Street Fighter V, Attack on Titan, Dark Souls 3, and One Piece Burning Blood will all do 100k+ easily). The games I mentioned are just in the first 4 months too.

Final Fantasy has a good shot at 1 million if it's actually good and exclusive, but it could end multiplatform with NX if it is a home console. Same for dragon quest XI (wich even has a 3ds version). Dragon quest builders doesn't seem like it wil sell much and 800k across two platforms isn't much for DQH. It certainly has a number of releases that will push hardware in different levels but the possibility of a new platform, better and getting the same multis + nintendo exclusives can't be ignored and would affect ps4 sales greatly.

I think you underestimate the impact of an 800k selling title. For reference, there are only two million sellers in Japan for PS3 (Final Fantasy XIII and Resident Evil 5, even though RE6 was very close). The PS3 got large boosts from a bunch of games of the caliber I mentioned. 

DQH only opened to 265k on PS4, and it still doubled HW for the week (in which is cleared top selling platform by 10k, so it was a slower part of the year). A consistent flow of appealing games will do more to help the PS4 than a few very big games.

Now, for the point of the potential NX coming and stealing all of the PS4's market? We'll have to wait and see, but it would be very much not Nintendo to go after the same red ocean as Sony (not to mention that it's very difficult to argue about stealing marketshare away when the market has been dwindled down so much by mobile gaming).



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Pavolink said:
hiska-kun said:

If 8 millions is the bar to call something a success, this bar has gone very low.

That's not success, that's just some fans trying to twist the terrible reality to generate a perception of success. Yet, they failed as hard as the sales.



I'm sorry but selling over 8m in a country where home console market is supposedly dead is exceptional.  If it stays on market as long as ps3 it will do even more.  

The Wii and ps3 did just over 10m so getting 80%+ of their sales is very good. 





outlawauron said:
Thunderbird77 said:
outlawauron said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Final fantasy is uncertain, persona is rather niche and dragon quest is 2017 and multiplatform. final fantasy may be multiplatform too and there's the added factor of competition

Final Fantasy is a guaranteed million seller, Persona 5 should finish near 400k (which is quite notable), and Dragon Quest XI isn't confirmed to be 2016, but it won't be far off and DQ: Builders and DQ Heroes 2 are coming for certain in 2016. DQ Heroes sold over 800k on PS3/PS4. These are big titles that will push a lot of hardware.

Not to mention the several titles that will do well throughout year (Star Ocean, Yakuza, Street Fighter V, Attack on Titan, Dark Souls 3, and One Piece Burning Blood will all do 100k+ easily). The games I mentioned are just in the first 4 months too.

Final Fantasy has a good shot at 1 million if it's actually good and exclusive, but it could end multiplatform with NX if it is a home console. Same for dragon quest XI (wich even has a 3ds version). Dragon quest builders doesn't seem like it wil sell much and 800k across two platforms isn't much for DQH. It certainly has a number of releases that will push hardware in different levels but the possibility of a new platform, better and getting the same multis + nintendo exclusives can't be ignored and would affect ps4 sales greatly.

I think you underestimate the impact of an 800k selling title. For reference, there are only two million sellers in Japan for PS3 (Final Fantasy XIII and Resident Evil 5, even though RE6 was very close). The PS3 got large boosts from a bunch of games of the caliber I mentioned. 

DQH only opened to 265k on PS4, and it still doubled HW for the week (in which is cleared top selling platform by 10k, so it was a slower part of the year). A consistent flow of appealing games will do more to help the PS4 than a few very big games.

Now, for the point of the potential NX coming and stealing all of the PS4's market? We'll have to wait and see, but it would be very much not Nintendo to go after the same red ocean as Sony (not to mention that it's very difficult to argue about stealing marketshare away when the market has been dwindled down so much by mobile gaming).

I simply don't see ps4 having an easy time outselling it's 2015 numbers. Going for the same market as sony and more is what nintendo always did, I don't get what you meant.