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KungKras on 11 January 2016
Saeko said:
OneKartVita said:

 

So the first world has expanded too much.  We need to regress to a sustainable level even if that means a simpler way of life.  It's not good for the planet to push this model.  And countries like China, India and Brazil will do the same.  It's unsustainable and it's the real problem but sadly people are selfish and only look at the short term issues.  

 

 

Agree with you, they really need stop with growth mentality. lose population should be seen as a good thing for the planet now. and every rich country complain with ppl who not work, well with less ppl there would be more ppl who work too, why get more ppl when there is enough on place already. just give them way to study for new work.

It's a pretty locked situation. A country that tries a different approach could easily get screwed by the countries who don't.





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outlawauron on 11 January 2016
Aielyn said:
Aura7541 said:
This is a strawman fallacy. The topic is about criticizing Islam and its religious texts.

But to entertain your response, one religous group has already realized parts of its religious texts are wrong while another is still following it literally. As much as I dislike Ted Cruz, he actually had a point when he said that he preferred letting in Christian immigrants over Muslim immigrants.

It's not a strawman to point out similarity. I'm not sure you even understand what the "strawman fallacy" is - it's where a person creates a totally different argument that has weaknesses not found in the original argument (the strawman), claims that's what the original argument was, and then proceeds to destroy the strawman.

The argument at hand is that Islam promotes anti-female sentiments, supports rape, etc, and that this has some connection with events in Germany. By pointing out the equivalent lines from the bible, what deskpro has done is demonstrated, quite efficiently, that the same attitudes are found in the Bible, and therefore if there's a connection, a similar connection should be able to be made elsewhere due to the influence of the Bible. If such a connection doesn't exist, then there's no reason to assume the presence of that sentiment in the Quran has any connection to recent events, either.

This is an entirely legitimate form of argument, not a fallacy.

Incidentally, many Christians still follow the bible literally (see Westboro Baptist Church, for instance), while many Muslims will tell you that the verses you refer to are being misinterpreted - which implies that those verses aren't literal, in their view. Therefore, YOU are the one who has constructed a strawman, when you implied that the difference is literalism.

No they don't.

Westboro Baptist is a scheme where a family full of lawyers exploits emotions of people so they can sue people or groups who harm them. They do this under the protection of "religious freedom".

And no, deskpro isn't demonstrating much of anything. He uses instructions of the spiritual head of household and uses it synoumously with dominance over women. >_> Willing to bring up context to better understand the Qu'Ran, but ignores all context when criticizing Christianity.



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deskpro2k3 on 11 January 2016
outlawauron said:
 

And no, deskpro isn't demonstrating much of anything. He uses instructions of the spiritual head of household and uses it synoumously with dominance over women. >_> Willing to bring up context to better understand the Qu'Ran, but ignores all context when criticizing Christianity.

 


Oh boy, you too don't get it?

I "demonstrated" with factual evidence proving how both the qu'ran and the bible are similar in regards on how women are treated as it is writen in their books respectfully. How this is not understood is beyond me. Continue to speculate.



hershel_layton on 11 January 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
hershel_layton said:
deskpro2k3 said:
hershel_layton said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

That is still less than 1%

No army or terror group in the world has numbers as high as 16mil.

Of course not. And remember not all Muslim extremists are with ISIS.

 

Look at some of extremists in Saudi Arabia. Syria. Somalia. Look at the entire world. I am quite sure there's more than 1 percent of Muslims that have extreme viewpoints

 

You're talking about +16,000,000. Saudi is not the same when compared to Syria, or Turkey etc. Yes, they're muslim dominated countries, but with different laws and culture.

you make it sound like if they're not with isis, they're still extremist just cause they're muslim.

 

That's exactly my point. Lol.

"And remember not all muslim extremists are with ISIS"

 

I just don't see the evidence showing 16 million people as extremist.

I'm not trying to make Muslims look bad. I'm not. 

 

It's just that there are Muslims that are the opposite of what you'd consider a moderate. Hates gays, denies basic science, "kill all disbelievers", blah blah bkah





 

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deskpro2k3 on 11 January 2016
hershel_layton said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

I just don't see the evidence showing 16 million people as extremist.

I'm not trying to make Muslims look bad. I'm not. 

 

It's just that there are Muslims that are the opposite of what you'd consider a moderate. Hates gays, denies basic science, "kill all disbelievers", blah blah bkah

 

There is extremist, a person who goes to extremes to change political matters. And then there is crazy people. There is crazy people everywhere.



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barneystinson69 on 11 January 2016
KungKras said:
barneystinson69 said:

 


Oh god. What, because he admits his country has a serious immigration problem? People I know from Sweden are disgusted by what's happening, but nothing can be done do to a stupid government that can't properly manage this crisis. 

We have a segregation problem. Not an immigration problem.

Currently communes are allowed to reject refugees if they want, leading to heavy immigrant concentration in areas like "little mogadishu" or rosengård or hisingen. This leads to little societies in the society and all the problems that come with that, like ousidership and unemployment.
If we took away the communes' ability to do that we would see immigrants spreading out across the country and mixing more with the population, thus integrating more because there wouldn't be any outsider societies.

Quite frankly we need immigrants. We need that population growth to fuel our economy, and personnel for jobs that noone else would take. Those people you know need to stop looking for the easy answers and actually try to understand the world.

If anything, immigrations 100,000s of people every year IS the easy answer! And the reason the swedish are avoiding them is do to the problems they're causing within the country! Look, me and you clearly have different opinion's, but saying that "we need immigrants" just seems to condradict your statement. 

 

Look, I'm ok with it IF they actually contribute and integrate. That's been a failure to Sweden so far...





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KungKras on 12 January 2016
barneystinson69 said:
KungKras said:

We have a segregation problem. Not an immigration problem.

Currently communes are allowed to reject refugees if they want, leading to heavy immigrant concentration in areas like "little mogadishu" or rosengård or hisingen. This leads to little societies in the society and all the problems that come with that, like ousidership and unemployment.
If we took away the communes' ability to do that we would see immigrants spreading out across the country and mixing more with the population, thus integrating more because there wouldn't be any outsider societies.

Quite frankly we need immigrants. We need that population growth to fuel our economy, and personnel for jobs that noone else would take. Those people you know need to stop looking for the easy answers and actually try to understand the world.

If anything, immigrations 100,000s of people every year IS the easy answer! And the reason the swedish are avoiding them is do to the problems they're causing within the country! Look, me and you clearly have different opinion's, but saying that "we need immigrants" just seems to condradict your statement. 

 

Look, I'm ok with it IF they actually contribute and integrate. That's been a failure to Sweden so far...

Where I went to school, we had some people from a lot of different places. They were all just like us, because it was us they were hanging out with.

That's why it's so damaging that some places reject refugees and others are housing all of them. If your social circles consists of swedes, you will act like swedes.





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FragilE^ on 12 January 2016
barneystinson69 said:
KungKras said:

We have a segregation problem. Not an immigration problem.

Currently communes are allowed to reject refugees if they want, leading to heavy immigrant concentration in areas like "little mogadishu" or rosengård or hisingen. This leads to little societies in the society and all the problems that come with that, like ousidership and unemployment.
If we took away the communes' ability to do that we would see immigrants spreading out across the country and mixing more with the population, thus integrating more because there wouldn't be any outsider societies.

Quite frankly we need immigrants. We need that population growth to fuel our economy, and personnel for jobs that noone else would take. Those people you know need to stop looking for the easy answers and actually try to understand the world.

If anything, immigrations 100,000s of people every year IS the easy answer! And the reason the swedish are avoiding them is do to the problems they're causing within the country! Look, me and you clearly have different opinion's, but saying that "we need immigrants" just seems to condradict your statement. 

Look, I'm ok with it IF they actually contribute and integrate. That's been a failure to Sweden so far...

Yeah, its a massive failure and it will drag the entire country down for decades. *sigh*

9 years on average to get a job as an immigrant. Free healthcare, free elder care and free schools. Tons of grants simply for existing. All of these things that people "pay" for through taxes. Taxes that a lot of our amazing immigrants will NEVER CONTRIBUTE TO. Doesn't matter if they want to or not, they CAN'T.

At first, our polititians kept saying how every immigrant we got was essantial to the survival of the country and how every single one would result in a ton of money in the end. When this retarded argument caved in on itself the debate quickly shifted. "Its not about money, its about being a decent human being!". Every immigrant is not a net plus, it is a "saved" human. Except, thats far from the truth as well.

If we could take care of them properly and give them all jobs, then sure. Take in millions. If all we're importing is unemployment, violence and debt, then close the borders.



Scoobes on 12 January 2016
barneystinson69 said:
Soundwave said:

 

So you base your thoughts on a Youtube video channel and not from actual experience. Right. 

The UK has more immigrants than Sweden does, why isn't rape rampant there? 

Well I'm sure the shia patrols of East London were an indication of what was to come. I went there once when I got lost. Let me say I got out of there asap. And BTW, I've researched more than just into one youtube channel. I often look into Swedish media, and they always call white's n@zis and islamaphobe's or whatever. Then when a muslum does something bad, its either not reported, or the media always side's with the perpatrator, often brushing away details.

 

Don't be tricked into believing what the swedish media is saying, its a bunch of lefties trying to control what people hear and say.

As someone that lives in East London, whose wife actively works in East London and has to interact with the Muslim population and whose brother has gone to university in East London, I can honestly say I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Did you see a few muslim-like people on a night out?

I've never felt particularly unsafe in East London. I think it says more about you and your judgement that you were that scared.

What a complete joke.




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barneystinson69 on 13 January 2016
KungKras said:
barneystinson69 said:

If anything, immigrations 100,000s of people every year IS the easy answer! And the reason the swedish are avoiding them is do to the problems they're causing within the country! Look, me and you clearly have different opinion's, but saying that "we need immigrants" just seems to condradict your statement. 

 

Look, I'm ok with it IF they actually contribute and integrate. That's been a failure to Sweden so far...

Where I went to school, we had some people from a lot of different places. They were all just like us, because it was us they were hanging out with.

That's why it's so damaging that some places reject refugees and others are housing all of them. If your social circles consists of swedes, you will act like swedes.

 

No, whats dangerous is how people think these people are "refugee's". Many of them are going there for economic reason's, to simply live off the country, and leave when they no longer find it usefull. If these are actual "refugee's", they're extremely picky. They all go to Sweden and Germany... I wonder why.



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