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Forums - Nintendo - It's November 21st 2016. The NX is out and more powerful than the PS4. Are 3rd parties on board?

 

3rd party multiplats

Support the NX 224 41.87%
 
Ignore the NX 311 58.13%
 
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midrange said:

Because games like Need for speed: most wanted u, Rayman legends, wonderful 101, lego city undercover, zombiu, and deus ex human revolution actually do try. Not all third party games half ass it. Some put legimate work in and they get burned by not recieving proper support by Nintendo. They all should have received the bayonetta 2 level of support, but they didn't and they all didn't do well. Then Nintendo wonders why they don't have third parties on board

 


I'm going to say the same thing to you as I have him go and read the post he replied to before replying yourself and you'll see I've already addressed those games to begin with, W101 is also a first party game aswell as being niche (ironically it outsold both COD and AC and is at around 400k) and LCS and ZombiU sold well hitting the 1m mark with LCS also being funded by Nintendo themselves, Rayman Legends is the third best selling version with only the PS4 and PS3 version selling more out of all 7 versions released. Essentially you just backed my stance as legitimate efforts did well.

ZombiU's port to PS4 and X1 was barely even a blip as it was handled in the same way third parties handle their efforts on Nintendo platforms and guess what it bombed hard showing that no matter the userbase if you half ass it you won't get good results.



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Nighthawk117 said:
zorg1000 said:
Nighthawk117 said:
It's Nov. 21, 2016 and the PS4 has a sales lead of 45m over the NX. Who do you think 3rd parties are gonna support? Duh.

 

It's not like supporting NX means 3rd parties have to stop supporting PS4 so ur comment really makes no sense.

 

There's no incentive for them to support NX right out of the gate, best to wait until it's sold a few million and then port titles over.

 

Not true.  There are huge incentives to have a launch title available.  Think about it.  Ps4 might have 40+ million units, but how large is the library of games?  In the hundreds, thousands if you include the indies.  All those titles are competing with each other for a piece of that market.  At launch, NX will sell a few million units with a library around 20-30 games.  Lack of choices means even crappy games could sell a good number.  The smaller library means more exposure for their titles.



oniyide said:
Wyrdness said:

 


Did you even read the post you quoted in fact no point asking because you didn't, Rayman a games that sold mildly was used as an example of games like COD and AC won't ever sell, for some reason you read only those lines and came up with a reply to an argument that doesn't even exist go back and read the post properly.

The whole point is the's no point Nintendo trying for certain third parties because as long as they don't try themselves the userbase will never bother much with them, when the userbase itself recognizes that third parties are releasing titles with missing modes, no dlc and so on at full price over other versions it's common sense that no amount of pushing from Nintendo will make a difference, third parties themselves have chip in. You're effectively asking Nintendo to tell their fans just buy third party games regardless of how they turn out. 

This is why they're not trying with third parties because like yourself they think one party should do everything for them, a shared library between portable and homeconsole would be much more beneficial and return results. Collaborations like the one with PG and NLG would be better then trying to pander to developers who don't want to try.

 

what of games like AC and the last CODs and the games that werent missing content and still bombed? whose fault is that? Nintendo hasnt tried PERIOD. Thats my point, do you really think they tried? I wouldnt cosnider stuff like Bayo 2 trying thats small stuff, bare minimum

Those games didn't bomb, just didn't do as well as they could because ubi and activision didn't try. You know, those who own the games are the ones who need to try.





midrange said:
Wyrdness said:
oniyide said:

 

what of games like AC and the last CODs and the games that werent missing content and still bombed? whose fault is that? Nintendo hasnt tried PERIOD. Thats my point, do you really think they tried? I wouldnt cosnider stuff like Bayo 2 trying thats small stuff, bare minimum

 


Except COD had issues with DLC and the first AC game on Wii U was the horrid AC3 which not only was one of the weaker games in the series it also had perfomance issues on all platforms, again go read the earlier post before you waste my time the userbase on the platform aren't into yearly installments either. Come off the BS Bayonetta 2 is leagues above trying and the type of approach they should be taking, no publisher wanted to fund it and it's the best action title of this gen so don't give no crap about it not counting because I don't care what you consider trying.

The point is simple and if you still don't get it's not my problem and you can move on, why should Nintendo try when the third parties themselves are half assing it? Do you even realize what yopu and some others are saying they should do? You're effectively saying Nintendo should vouch for these wayward third party attempts, that's comical, they'd be far better off going the path of a shared library and second party deals.

Because games like Need for speed: most wanted u, Rayman legends, wonderful 101, lego city undercover, zombiu, and deus ex human revolution actually do try. Not all third party games half ass it. Some put legimate work in and they get burned by not recieving proper support by Nintendo. They all should have received the bayonetta 2 level of support, but they didn't and they all didn't do well. Then Nintendo wonders why they don't have third parties on board

W101 isn't third party, need for speed was 6 months late, deus ex was late and released for $50 on wii u at the same time it was rereleased on ps360 for $30. The other games you listed sold very well.

edit: looks like someone else already said just that. Still valid.





Thunderbird77 said:
oniyide said:

 

what of games like AC and the last CODs and the games that werent missing content and still bombed? whose fault is that? Nintendo hasnt tried PERIOD. Thats my point, do you really think they tried? I wouldnt cosnider stuff like Bayo 2 trying thats small stuff, bare minimum

Those games didn't bomb, just didn't do as well as they could because ubi and activision didn't try. You know, those who own the games are the ones who need to try.



Ubisoft and Activision lost millions of dollars as a result of these ports. Why would they bother even putting in the effort of making these games and losing millions if they didn't legitimately think they had a shot of at least breaking even? Do you think these companies enjoy throwing away millions of dollars? Not try? How about they decided that it was better to not spend good money over bad. I highly doubt a bigger, much more expensive push in marketing, features, price point etc. would have led to sales that would have gotten that added money back.





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potato_hamster said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Those games didn't bomb, just didn't do as well as they could because ubi and activision didn't try. You know, those who own the games are the ones who need to try.



Ubisoft and Activision lost millions of dollars as a result of these ports. Why would they bother even putting in the effort of making these games and losing millions if they didn't legitimately think they had a shot of at least breaking even? Do you think these companies enjoy throwing away millions of dollars? Not try? How about they decided that it was better to not spend good money over bad. I highly doubt a bigger, much more expensive push in marketing, features, price point etc. would have led to sales that would have gotten that added money back.



Source? None? I thought so.





Wyrdness said:
midrange said:

Because games like Need for speed: most wanted u, Rayman legends, wonderful 101, lego city undercover, zombiu, and deus ex human revolution actually do try. Not all third party games half ass it. Some put legimate work in and they get burned by not recieving proper support by Nintendo. They all should have received the bayonetta 2 level of support, but they didn't and they all didn't do well. Then Nintendo wonders why they don't have third parties on board

 


I'm going to say the same thing to you as I have him go and read the post he replied to before replying yourself and you'll see I've already addressed those games to begin with, W101 is also a first party game aswell as being niche (ironically it outsold both COD and AC and is at around 400k) and LCS and ZombiU sold well hitting the 1m mark with LCS also being funded by Nintendo themselves, Rayman Legends is the third best selling version with only the PS4 and PS3 version selling more out of all 7 versions released. Essentially you just backed my stance as legitimate efforts did well.

ZombiU's port to PS4 and X1 was barely even a blip as it was handled in the same way third parties handle their efforts on Nintendo platforms and guess what it bombed hard showing that no matter the userbase if you half ass it you won't get good results.

Wonderful 101 is first party, but it was worked on by a third party company. Third party support is not limited to third party ip. The fact that platinum put a lot of work into wonderful 101 only for it to bomb is idiotic. Almost anything platinum makes is niche, so you can't say that it failed because it was niche. Likewise, the game had virtually no marketing. How are other third party devs supposed to collaborate with Nintendo if Nintendo doesn't put their part in as a publisher to market the game.

 

Lego city didn't sell that well despite reaching a million (reason for the 3ds port), and zombiu was confirmed to have bombed (just because zombi bombed everywhere else doesn't mean zombi u did well). Those two games were designed as exclusives and performed poorly to the point of needing ports to recover costs.

 

Rayman legends is the game that hurts your case the most.

Rayman was publicly said by ubisoft to have performed poorly, regardless of how it did compared to everything else. 

Rayman was the ultimate third party game for Nintendo - age appropriate, designed as an exclusive, utilizes the gamepad, known IP, devoid of bugs. The fact that this game lost to the ps4 port (no tablet support, different audience, lower install base) is utterly laughable. This game should have dominated on the wii u, and it didn't. What the excuse now?

 

likewise, you didn't addres need for speed or deus ex. Both well made ports that ... Surprise surprise ... Bombed.

Nintendo should have put in way more effort to have made these games successes. What third party company would want to work with a platform where well made games are sent to die?



Thunderbird77 said:
midrange said:
Wyrdness said:
oniyide said:

 

what of games like AC and the last CODs and the games that werent missing content and still bombed? whose fault is that? Nintendo hasnt tried PERIOD. Thats my point, do you really think they tried? I wouldnt cosnider stuff like Bayo 2 trying thats small stuff, bare minimum

 


Except COD had issues with DLC and the first AC game on Wii U was the horrid AC3 which not only was one of the weaker games in the series it also had perfomance issues on all platforms, again go read the earlier post before you waste my time the userbase on the platform aren't into yearly installments either. Come off the BS Bayonetta 2 is leagues above trying and the type of approach they should be taking, no publisher wanted to fund it and it's the best action title of this gen so don't give no crap about it not counting because I don't care what you consider trying.

The point is simple and if you still don't get it's not my problem and you can move on, why should Nintendo try when the third parties themselves are half assing it? Do you even realize what yopu and some others are saying they should do? You're effectively saying Nintendo should vouch for these wayward third party attempts, that's comical, they'd be far better off going the path of a shared library and second party deals.

Because games like Need for speed: most wanted u, Rayman legends, wonderful 101, lego city undercover, zombiu, and deus ex human revolution actually do try. Not all third party games half ass it. Some put legimate work in and they get burned by not recieving proper support by Nintendo. They all should have received the bayonetta 2 level of support, but they didn't and they all didn't do well. Then Nintendo wonders why they don't have third parties on board

W101 isn't third party, need for speed was 6 months late, deus ex was late and released for $50 on wii u at the same time it was rereleased on ps360 for $30. The other games you listed sold very well.

edit: looks like someone else already said just that. Still valid.



Third party support is not limited to third party ip.

a port coming late should not be an excuse for poor sales. Next gen versions of GTA, last of us, and Destiny sold very well on next gen despite being "late"

The other games listed did not sell well. Rayman and zombiu sold poorly (source: Ubisoft). That was the whole reason for the ports to other consoles.





midrange said:

 Lego city didn't sell that well despite reaching a million (reason for the 3ds port)

 


That's not true at all, the 3DS version isn't a port, it's a completely separate game that was in development concurrently with the Wii U version. 



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Wyrdness said:
oniyide said:

 

what of games like AC and the last CODs and the games that werent missing content and still bombed? whose fault is that? Nintendo hasnt tried PERIOD. Thats my point, do you really think they tried? I wouldnt cosnider stuff like Bayo 2 trying thats small stuff, bare minimum

 


Except COD had issues with DLC and the first AC game on Wii U was the horrid AC3 which not only was one of the weaker games in the series it also had perfomance issues on all platforms, again go read the earlier post before you waste my time the userbase on the platform aren't into yearly installments either. Come off the BS Bayonetta 2 is leagues above trying and the type of approach they should be taking, no publisher wanted to fund it and it's the best action title of this gen so don't give no crap about it not counting because I don't care what you consider trying.

The point is simple and if you still don't get it's not my problem and you can move on, why should Nintendo try when the third parties themselves are half assing it? Do you even realize what yopu and some others are saying they should do? You're effectively saying Nintendo should vouch for these wayward third party attempts, that's comical, they'd be far better off going the path of a shared library and second party deals.

DLC? so what? the vanilla game is still good. PS3 and PC got DLC later and that didnt stop those versions from doing well and not everybody buys DLC anyway, lot of people dont. AC3 being good or not is subjective again didnt stop it from doing well on other platforms and what of AC4 the onei most people did like, whats the excuse there. No Bayo 2 is a niche Japanese games thats not trying, Fallout, GTA, hell Destiny had Ninty gone for those THAT would be trying. Its good that they saved it thats great, but how well did that do in the end?

Its nobody's problem, but Ninty its there systems that are missing the games.  Why should Nintendo try? because they havent before and no i didnt say vouch for wayward 3rd party games, stop putting words in my mouth. Im saying if they go to these guys and WORK with them to ensure that the ports are up to the others or even trying to get some popular games on there system then it would help all involve you know, the way Sony did it when PS3 was getting stomped they actively went to 3rd parties to help get the games to be not as crappy as they initial were. Cause what they are doing now...aitn working and you better hope people like Ninty games as much as you do so they will buy more of the system, but considering the current trend im not holding my breath.