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DélioPT on 03 January 2016

Wii U has already damaged Nintendo's home console business more than the GC. It's even given people reason to think that Wii was just a fluke.
Nintendo could support the Wii U and replace 3DS this year, but for what? What would they gain with barely supporting the machine for 2 years? To become even more irrelevante in the home console business?
If they want Nintendo like profits they won't get them id they keep supporting a soon to be dead console. They really need a new one.

NX could very well be a name for na ecosystem that shares two consoles: a Handheld and a Home Console; It could very well be not one, but two devices. And if rumours/patents are to be believed, it will be both.

Why shouldn't people consider it more powerful than PS4? What Nintendo console wasn't more powerful than the best console in the previous generation? Even if by a smaller difference.
People say it will come out this year because it's more than obvious that of both consoles, Wii U has the least fighting chance of lasting another 2 years on the market.

It isn't just a case of "i wish it is, therefore it is", it's more about looking at what's in front of you: 3DS is in a better shape than Wii U; has more support; more appeal; it hasn't direct competition from other handhelds.
Wii U is exactly the opposite: no appeal, no support, 2 dominating competitors.

Should Nintendo risk releasing a new home console in 2017 for the competition to out do them in 2018 and have a Wii U scenario all over again?



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Soundwave on 03 January 2016
DélioPT said:
Wii U has already damaged Nintendo's home console business more than the GC. It's even given people reason to think that Wii was just a fluke.
Nintendo could support the Wii U and replace 3DS this year, but for what? What would they gain with barely supporting the machine for 2 years? To become even more irrelevante in the home console business?
If they want Nintendo like profits they won't get them id they keep supporting a soon to be dead console. They really need a new one.

NX could very well be a name for na ecosystem that shares two consoles: a Handheld and a Home Console; It could very well be not one, but two devices. And if rumours/patents are to be believed, it will be both.

Why shouldn't people consider it more powerful than PS4? What Nintendo console wasn't more powerful than the best console in the previous generation? Even if by a smaller difference.
People say it will come out this year because it's more than obvious that of both consoles, Wii U has the least fighting chance of lasting another 2 years on the market.

It isn't just a case of "i wish it is, therefore it is", it's more about looking at what's in front of you: 3DS is in a better shape than Wii U; has more support; more appeal; it hasn't direct competition from other handhelds.
Wii U is exactly the opposite: no appeal, no support, 2 dominating competitors.

Should Nintendo risk releasing a new home console in 2017 for the competition to out do them in 2018 and have a Wii U scenario all over again?

Wii was a fluke. If you can only do something once, and can't repeat it, that's kinda the definition of a fluke. 

Nintendo should just throw away the concept of what a platform and create something new. They can't keep doing to discreet home console + portable any longer any way. 

There's no way they can support a portable that's about Wii U/PS3/360 in horsepower and a home console that's PS4/XB1 level ... no way. So things will have to change no matter what. 

Personally I think they should just throw away the idea of a console needing to be fixed for 5 years at one spec. It's stupid, doesn't make sense for 2015, and will simply have them outdated of course and easy to take advantage of. NX should be an evolving platform where the specs can increase (or at least a 4K variant can be released) later. 



Darwinianevolution on 03 January 2016
midrange said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Nogamez said:

Nintendo already got the flagship AC imo ( no pun intended) ACIV blackflag!

Jokes aside, if this is true, Ubisoft has no faith on the NX. They put AC3 and AC blackflag on the U, and for the NX just Liberation?

Then again, this sounds like a very fake leak, the only thing it's sounds legit its Ubi porting a Vita game to the NX. I suspect we'll see a lot of those in the future.

Are you surprised at ubisoft's commitment? I don't know if this is right or not, but after Ubisoft was burned by the wii u launch (they were about to give them 2 great launch exclusives!) it wouldnt surprise me that ubi just wants to test it out with a port and rayman

Well, it seems that, out of the three big western publishers, Ubisoft is the one more willing to give Nintendo a chance. Activision stopped the support once they saw CoD couldn't sell, and EA outright boycotted the WiiU with that unnacceptable Origin deal. Ubisoft kept the support for a while, albeit with weaker versions of the games, and no DLC (but they are hardly the only ones).

Even if Ubisoft has less hopes on the NX, a vita port of a game four years old from a franchise that didn't sell well on Nintendo platforms to begin with seems foolish. A port of Grown Home would seem more plausible.





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KungKras on 03 January 2016

I heard everything on 4chan is true.



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COKTOE on 03 January 2016

I can't wait to see how this all turns out. This rumor. This thread. The NX itself, whatever it's consumer name ends up being. It's all a rich tapestry.



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DélioPT on 03 January 2016
Soundwave said:
DélioPT said:
 

Wii was a fluke. If you can only do something once, and can't repeat it, that's kinda the definition of a fluke. 

Nintendo should just throw away the concept of what a platform and create something new. They can't keep doing to discreet home console + portable any longer any way. 

There's no way they can support a portable that's about Wii U/PS3/360 in horsepower and a home console that's PS4/XB1 level ... no way. So things will have to change no matter what. 

Personally I think they should just throw away the idea of a console needing to be fixed for 5 years at one spec. It's stupid, doesn't make sense for 2015, and will simply have them outdated of course and easy to take advantage of. NX should be an evolving platform where the specs can increase (or at least a 4K variant can be released) later. 

 

Allow me to disagree on Wii being a fluke! :)

Everything around Wii (the brand itself, the marketing, the games, the machine itself) was premeditated.
There was a plan at work since the very beginning... it even started with NDS.

Did it turn out better than Nintendo anticipated? Yes. So much, that for 2 years Nintendo couldn't stop shortages.
The real problem was that Nintendo didn't read signs and thought that a tablet for a controller was a big idea. In theory, it kinda was, but in reality it really wasn't nothing new and the whole idea behind Wii U just wasn't carefully planned and relied too much on Wii's success.

If NX gets released now, they can "replace" it when PS5 and XB4 arrive on the market to make it competitive. Again, if it really is about the ecosystem and not the usual lifeycle of a console.
It can work.
The question is, are gamers ready for that? It would help, in my opinion, if they sell an ecosystem and not HW.

We will see... February or May (my guess!).



Soundwave on 03 January 2016
DélioPT said:
Soundwave said:
DélioPT said:
 

Wii was a fluke. If you can only do something once, and can't repeat it, that's kinda the definition of a fluke. 

Nintendo should just throw away the concept of what a platform and create something new. They can't keep doing to discreet home console + portable any longer any way. 

There's no way they can support a portable that's about Wii U/PS3/360 in horsepower and a home console that's PS4/XB1 level ... no way. So things will have to change no matter what. 

Personally I think they should just throw away the idea of a console needing to be fixed for 5 years at one spec. It's stupid, doesn't make sense for 2015, and will simply have them outdated of course and easy to take advantage of. NX should be an evolving platform where the specs can increase (or at least a 4K variant can be released) later. 

 

Allow me to disagree on Wii being a fluke! :)

Everything around Wii (the brand itself, the marketing, the games, the machine itself) was premeditated.
There was a plan at work since the very beginning... it even started with NDS.

Did it turn out better than Nintendo anticipated? Yes. So much, that for 2 years Nintendo couldn't stop shortages.
The real problem was that Nintendo didn't read signs and thought that a tablet for a controller was a big idea. In theory, it kinda was, but in reality it really wasn't nothing new and the whole idea behind Wii U just wasn't carefully planned and relied too much on Wii's success.

If NX gets released now, they can "replace" it when PS5 and XB4 arrive on the market to make it competitive. Again, if it really is about the ecosystem and not the usual lifeycle of a console.
It can work.
The question is, are gamers ready for that? It would help, in my opinion, if they sell an ecosystem and not HW.

We will see... February or May (my guess!).

 

I don't think you "replace" anything ... do you replace STEAM? Now you'll look puzzled at that, but that's the point. Steam in no single piece of hardware. NX should be kinda like that IMO. 

There should just be new NX devices as time goes on. 

2016 - NX Portable and NX Console launch

2017 - NX Portable Pro launches

2018 - NX 4K Console launches

It's not 1989 anymore, people are willing to accept upgrading hardware as the norm (see: tablets, smartphones, etc.)

Etc. etc. I think Nintendo may have shown what the NX is already though through this patent, which shows basically an upgradable console:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/12/intriguing_nintendo_patent_points_to_supplemental_computing_device_and_cloud_resources_for_a_gaming_system

That's probably the NX IMO. And that is a pretty bold change from what they do today. 



Thunderbird77 on 03 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Although probably another fake, it's the first one with some logic behind it. Nintendo already said their next handheld and home console will have the same architeture. The most possible outcome is that the sucessors for Wii U and 3ds have around 30-40% of it's first party lineups as major exclusives, with the rest (major multiplayer titles, smaller 3d games, all 2d games) getting the smash for Wii U and 3ds treatment. The visual difference would be smaller due to the power gap shrinking and there should be cross buy and cross local/online multiplayer for shared titles. Same cross buy for virtual console titles.

Sharing the whole library is not only impossible but also a terrible business decision. That's because exclusives are what value a platform.

 

You're thinking of it from a point of view of what platforms are now, the rumour itself is nothing new from what's been speculated before, Iwata indicated two years ago at a stock holders meeting that NX maybe a software platform that drives a family of devices much like a cross between IOS and Steam. This is further backed by the recent string of patents, the new accounts system and indicators from Nintendo themself, it would make perfect business sense as gaming would then adopt a new form in business approach.

Rather then get hardware sales it would be more geared to getting people to open an account on this platform and from then one the person is always a consumer regardless which device they have whether mobile, home console or portable.

This makes migration between devices easier for the consumer, I can see the portable and home console sharing the majority of first party games with each game scaling to the hardware (again something like this was indicated in a patent), sharing a library is also one of the few viable ways to reduce the droughts between the platforms especially if the are mutiple skus.

Iwata never ever said anything about a software platform... the words were very clear: the nintendo divisions that take care of handheld and home console were united so that their next hh and hc have the same architeture. There is no indication of that. the recent patents do not show anything remotely close to what you mentioned, and patents are generally made many years in advance of it's use, with most never being used. It also makes no business sense to do that, not to mention it's impossible to share everything.





zorg1000 on 03 January 2016
Nem said:

But i would like to know how the supporters of the new home console coming out this year, can explain how Nintendo is going to get launch titles ready this year and have a flow of games for next year, not only for the new home console NX, but for the sucessor of the 3DS and the continued support of the Wii U that was promised. Where is Nintendo getting all these resources.

 

Well if the successor of Wii U and 3DS are one in the same, just available in different form factors than Nintendo can certainly provide adequate support for the device with a holiday 2016 lineup thru 2017.

Zelda U could very well be a cross-gen release for both Wii U & NX.

EAD Tokyo release a console 3D Mario every 3 years (Galaxy-2007, Galaxy 2-2010, 3D World-2013) so a new 3D Mario available for holiday 2016 is possible. They typically release a smaller title between mainline console Mario titles (NPC: Jungle Beat, Mario 3D Land, Captain Toad) so a smaller title for holiday 2017.

Miyamoto hinted at Pikmin 4 releasing next year without a specified platform, it could be Wii U or it could be NX or perhaps both.

Monster Games releases a game roughly every 2 years (2011-Pilotwings Resort, 2013-DKC Returns 3D, 2015-Xenoblade 3D) I could see them releasing a Tropical Freeze port since the game underperformed by being on Wii U.

Retro Studios releases a game roughly every 3 years (2004-Prime 2, 2007-Prime 3, 2010-DKC Returns, early 2014-Tropical Freeze) so a new title at some point in 2017 is very likely.

EAD Group 1 releases Mario Kart roughly every 3 years (2005-DS, 2008-Wii, 2011-3DS, Wii U-2014) so an NX release in 2017 is possible.

Hal Labs releases a new Kirby title every 1-2 years (Nov 2011-Return to Dreamland, Jan 2014-Triple Deluxe, Feb 2015-Rainbow Curse) so a new Kirby is 2017 is possible.

ND Cube releases 2 games roughly every 2 years (late 2011/early 2012-Wii Party/Mario Party 9, 2013-Wii Party U/Mario Party 3DS, 2015-Mario Party 10/Amiibo Festival) so at least one game in 2017 is likely.

EAD Group 2 release 2-3 games every 2-3 years (2005/2006-Animal Crossing DS/Wii Sports/Wii Play, 2008/2009-Wii Music/Animal Crossing Wii/Sports Resort, 2012-Animal Crossing 3DS/Nintendo Land, 2015-Splatoon/Happy Home Designer) 1 game in 2017 and one in 2018 is very possible.

Game Freak releases a new Pokémon Gen every 3-4 years (1996, 1999, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2013) so a new one in 2017 is likely.

Something like this is certainly possible considering these teams typical dev cycles.

Nov 2016-Zelda+3D Mario

Dec 2016-Pikmin 4

Feb 2017-Tropical Freeze Port

March 2017-ND Cube Party game

May 2017-Mario Kart

June 2017-Kirby

August-Retro Studio's Project

October-Pokemon Gen 7

November 2017-Splatoon 2

December 2017-EAD Tokyo title (Captain Toad 2?)



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Thunderbird77 on 03 January 2016
Soundwave said:
DélioPT said:
Wii U has already damaged Nintendo's home console business more than the GC. It's even given people reason to think that Wii was just a fluke.
Nintendo could support the Wii U and replace 3DS this year, but for what? What would they gain with barely supporting the machine for 2 years? To become even more irrelevante in the home console business?
If they want Nintendo like profits they won't get them id they keep supporting a soon to be dead console. They really need a new one.

NX could very well be a name for na ecosystem that shares two consoles: a Handheld and a Home Console; It could very well be not one, but two devices. And if rumours/patents are to be believed, it will be both.

Why shouldn't people consider it more powerful than PS4? What Nintendo console wasn't more powerful than the best console in the previous generation? Even if by a smaller difference.
People say it will come out this year because it's more than obvious that of both consoles, Wii U has the least fighting chance of lasting another 2 years on the market.

It isn't just a case of "i wish it is, therefore it is", it's more about looking at what's in front of you: 3DS is in a better shape than Wii U; has more support; more appeal; it hasn't direct competition from other handhelds.
Wii U is exactly the opposite: no appeal, no support, 2 dominating competitors.

Should Nintendo risk releasing a new home console in 2017 for the competition to out do them in 2018 and have a Wii U scenario all over again?

Wii was a fluke. If you can only do something once, and can't repeat it, that's kinda the definition of a fluke. 

Nintendo should just throw away the concept of what a platform and create something new. They can't keep doing to discreet home console + portable any longer any way. 

There's no way they can support a portable that's about Wii U/PS3/360 in horsepower and a home console that's PS4/XB1 level ... no way. So things will have to change no matter what. 

Personally I think they should just throw away the idea of a console needing to be fixed for 5 years at one spec. It's stupid, doesn't make sense for 2015, and will simply have them outdated of course and easy to take advantage of. NX should be an evolving platform where the specs can increase (or at least a 4K variant can be released) later. 

Wii was no fluke, it was an amazing though out strategy with near perfect design and marketing.

I don't understand what do you mean by Wii U/ps3/360 portable and ps4/xb1 home console. the ps3 and 360 are not in the same level as Wii U and neither will the 3ds replacement. likewise, the ps4 and xb1 are also not in the same hardware level of whatever replaces Wii U. With that said, having the same architeture on hh and hc + already learning HD development will greatly increase nintendo's software output. They shouldn't have any problem supporting two hardware with only part of the library being shared.