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Soundwave said:

They're competent films, but they're not spectacular. Avatar might be Cameron's weakest film, but it's still decent. TFA probably isn't as good as any of the OT, but it manages to be better than the prequels and retain several elements of the OT so it works there. Jurassic World was a pale imitation of the first movie, but that's what people wanted (an actual sequel to the first movie). Furious 7 honestly ... is a mediocre/silly film, but the characters are fun and it was a send off for Paul Walker. 

The Empire Strikes Back, The Matrix (the original not the sequels), Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, The Dark Knight are legit mainstream pop masterpieces. To be honest I think Titanic is probably better than all of TFA, Avatar, Jurassic World, etc. too as a film. 

Acording to whom and to wich standard ? Ppl went to see Avatar and got so excited they told everyone else to go see it to, these ppl went and them told everyone else to go see it, and them everyone went a second time and took theyre famillies to see it, theres a reason that movie has infinte legs. Everyone who watched that movie left the theters more entertained than they do for most other movies. I dont like it too much, but thats 100% subjective, objectively it managed to entertain lots of ppl very much, its hard to argue against a movie that does that. The movies you listed in the end are simply films that managed to entertain and get critical recognition at the same time, if thats the standard youre going by to call something a masterpiece or not, than Force Awakens and The Avengers sure as hell are masterpieces, and other movies too like 007 Skyfall, Titanic, Lord of the Rings, Guardians of the Galaxy etc. 

Chris Hu said:

The Matrix actually isn't that good either most people hold in high regards since they only watched it once.

The whole point was that Matrix was a revolution on te way ppl make movies and see movies, when you watch it multiple times it looses that factor, specialy if you do so considering how much more movies evolved since the Matrix. We gota keep in mind tough, that most of this develoment in film making only ever happened cause The Matrix showed everyone else the way to do things, other film makers picked it up from there and kept developping the medium.



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Well The Matrix didn't impress me much since I already was a fan of Hong Kong martial arts movies long before I watched The Matrix and those movies didn't use any special effects in their fight scenes just simple wire work in some of them.  Also as far a ground breaking special effects goes nothing in the Matrix is a groundbreaking as the T-1000 was in T2.



Chris Hu said:

Well The Matrix didn't impress me much since I already was a fan of Hong Kong martial arts movies long before I watched The Matrix and those movies didn't use any special effects in their fight scenes just simple wire work in some of them.  Also as far a ground breaking special effects goes nothing in the Matrix is a groundbreaking as the T-1000 was in T2.

Its not realy special effects, its the cinematography (i always wonder how the Matrix didnt get an Oscar on that category, it does have one for editting tough). It changed how pl do action in movies forever, its very clear how movies after the Matrix build the action scenes differently than movies before that did, the slomos, the camera angles, the pacing it all have a Matrix influence. And the movie did have a very well built plot as well, with a lot of literature and biblical references.



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Insidb said:

In my opinion, the movie is highly overated. It doesn't deserve to pass Avatar. At least Avatar did something groundbreaking  with its engrossing world  and incredible effects. This movie had a crap villain and pretty much recycled A New Hope. Not deserving of the records it's breaking. 

Is this your only justification for Avatar's quality? 

Avatar had forgettable characters (That no one I ask can remember the names of.), an "enrossing world" (That you noted was "recycled" from other movies.), a "crap villian" (NO ONE remembers what gruffy, soldier, 80's prototype, McDouchebag, No. 7,998,015's name was, especially since they can't remeber the heroes.), and "incredible effects" (AKA CG that Advent Children surpassed years before and 3D, and 3D is everywhere now.).

By your TFA standards, Avatar was a forgettable, gimmick-bolstered, digitally-behind-the-times, recycled story that can't even lean on it being part of a trilogy or drawing from its own universe. 

Sorry, but I have to call a spade a spade.

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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Avatars characters were very memorable to me. The action was memorable and the love story was amazing. Generic Spice saga 7 was forgettable to me. No one would remember Kylo if not for him offing a certain character, and having a costume similar to  Darth Vader. He was a horrible, weak villain. Also Rey overcoming the odds with no training is weak sauce.

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As a movie fan, I can honestly call the Star Wars films some of the greatest films ever made. As a cinephile/critic, I cannot call them some of the best films ever made. Until I see Episode VII at least one more time, I cannot deliver a verdict on its film quality, but there's a fair chance that it is a better film than 1-VI. Lucas was NOT a great director, screenwriter, or editor; all one has to do is watch Episode V and look for the awkward pauses, dialogue, and cuts that continuosuly refocus the viewer. My love for the franchise does not supersede my honesty and film experience. When it comes to Episode VII, Abrams is a better director, and most gripes have centered around completely reasonable similarities to Episode IV: if a certain someone is a certain someone else's child, then it makes sense for their parent to have done for their child what someone else previoudly did for them. Why? Because we have 6 movies of evidence that the alluded to plan totally worked. As far as the imbalance between Ren and Rey, that was completely explored within the universe, so I'm pretty confident on my familial theory. Let's also not forget that Vader was quite impetuous, and he was a Sith Lord that was twice Ren's age.

When it comes to Avatar, I was totally underwhelmed when I saw it. It was very entertaining, but not remotely memorable, which is unfortunate. This should not be surprising, because James Cameron is a rich man's Michael Bay: a summer blockbuster director. For the average viewer, maybe the plot, the CGI, or the 3D effects were new to them, but I had already been through the wringer and was not impressed. It was far from the being the best movie of 2009, let alone the best sci-fi movie (MOON!). Avatar did, however, release to a perfect storm of hype, directorial familiarity, favorable exchange rates, and gimmicks (not-yet-mainstream effects).

Does this mean that it or SW:TFA does or does not deserve to be the higest-grossing film of all time? No. It just is what it is.





According to some box office sources, it did around 35 million for Saturday as well, which puts it on track for a 93 million weekend (domestically).



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Lich, are you doing Thursday-to-Thursday weeks?



Insidb said:
Lich, are you doing Thursday-to-Thursday weeks?

 


I believe he is doing Friday-Thursday.

 

His week 1 contains a couple extra days of overseas numbers in some markets and an extra day in other markets. 



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I came across an interesting infographic in Businessweek. The box office revenue projection for TFA is:

$734m domestic (USA and Canada)
$1,650m international

That makes the total estimate $2,384m (not enough to beat Avatar).

FYI, they also expect the following:

$500m from Disney Infinity 3.0
$780m from Star Wars Battlefront (which means about 13m copies)
$235 for TV licensing domestically (USA and Canada)
$214m for TV licensing internationally
$458m for DVD/streaming
$5,000m for merchandise

That brings the total projected revenue for TFA to $9.6b. Not bad for the first movie in the trilogy.



StarOcean said:
It's sad that I'm more entertained by the sales of a movie right now than the sales of systems

It's even sadder that the box office of the movie is more entertaining than the movie itself.



Lawlight said:
StarOcean said:
It's sad that I'm more entertained by the sales of a movie right now than the sales of systems

It's even sadder that the box office of the movie is more entertaining than the movie itself.

According to Rotten Tomatoes, 90% of people disagree with you.