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Insidb on 02 January 2016
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Sagemode87 said:
Insidb said:

In my opinion, the movie is highly overated. It doesn't deserve to pass Avatar. At least Avatar did something groundbreaking  with its engrossing world  and incredible effects. This movie had a crap villain and pretty much recycled A New Hope. Not deserving of the records it's breaking. 

Is this your only justification for Avatar's quality? 

Avatar had forgettable characters (That no one I ask can remember the names of.), an "enrossing world" (That you noted was "recycled" from other movies.), a "crap villian" (NO ONE remembers what gruffy, soldier, 80's prototype, McDouchebag, No. 7,998,015's name was, especially since they can't remeber the heroes.), and "incredible effects" (AKA CG that Advent Children surpassed years before and 3D, and 3D is everywhere now.).

By your TFA standards, Avatar was a forgettable, gimmick-bolstered, digitally-behind-the-times, recycled story that can't even lean on it being part of a trilogy or drawing from its own universe. 

Sorry, but I have to call a spade a spade.

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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Avatars characters were very memorable to me. The action was memorable and the love story was amazing. Generic Spice saga 7 was forgettable to me. No one would remember Kylo if not for him offing a certain character, and having a costume similar to  Darth Vader. He was a horrible, weak villain. Also Rey overcoming the odds with no training is weak sauce.

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As a movie fan, I can honestly call the Star Wars films some of the greatest films ever made. As a cinephile/critic, I cannot call them some of the best films ever made. Until I see Episode VII at least one more time, I cannot deliver a verdict on its film quality, but there's a fair chance that it is a better film than 1-VI. Lucas was NOT a great director, screenwriter, or editor; all one has to do is watch Episode V and look for the awkward pauses, dialogue, and cuts that continuosuly refocus the viewer. My love for the franchise does not supersede my honesty and film experience. When it comes to Episode VII, Abrams is a better director, and most gripes have centered around completely reasonable similarities to Episode IV: if a certain someone is a certain someone else's child, then it makes sense for their parent to have done for their child what someone else previoudly did for them. Why? Because we have 6 movies of evidence that the alluded to plan totally worked. As far as the imbalance between Ren and Rey, that was completely explored within the universe, so I'm pretty confident on my familial theory. Let's also not forget that Vader was quite impetuous, and he was a Sith Lord that was twice Ren's age.

When it comes to Avatar, I was totally underwhelmed when I saw it. It was very entertaining, but not remotely memorable, which is unfortunate. This should not be surprising, because James Cameron is a rich man's Michael Bay: a summer blockbuster director. For the average viewer, maybe the plot, the CGI, or the 3D effects were new to them, but I had already been through the wringer and was not impressed. It was far from the being the best movie of 2009, let alone the best sci-fi movie (MOON!). Avatar did, however, release to a perfect storm of hype, directorial familiarity, favorable exchange rates, and gimmicks (not-yet-mainstream effects).

Does this mean that it or SW:TFA does or does not deserve to be the higest-grossing film of all time? No. It just is what it is.