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StarOcean said:
Hiku said:
StarOcean said:

I have a feeling the true identity of Snoke is Darth Plageius He's got a lot of similarities!

I think so too. The way he is described matches Snoke's description.

But I secretly hope that Darth Plageius is actually Jarjar Binks. "Mesa is your father!"

It'd explain his screwed up face due to Sidious  

Jar Jar being the ultimate Sith Lord would be the greatest thing in film history XD



You know who I think might eb behind everythign and is Sonkes menthor ? 

Darth Maul, he is still alive and his wereaboats were unknown all troughout eps 4-6, I dont realy like the Plagueis theory, Sidius says he kiled him and he has very little backstory considering the EU doesnt count anymore.



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DakonBlackblade said:

First things first, your avatar is very very distracting.

Second Kylo was suposed to be conflicted, one of the things the original trilogy is most critised is because things are too black and white, even Darth Vader who redeems himself in the end, dont realy ahve much grey in him, he is either on Darth Vader I a murderer mode, or on Anakin father of the year mode. So I believe Kylo was an atempt to adress that. Imo he wont finish Ep VIII on the Dark Side and he wont be the main villain either, it will either be Snoke or someone whos behind Snoke and we havent heard about yet, if my beliefs are right Snoke is not a Sith, but he has to have learned the Dark Side and how to controll it to that extent from one, also Star Wars kinda isnt Star Wars without at least 1 Sith Lord, so I believe theres a Sith Lord behind all of this, might even be Sidius himself, he fall down on the reactor and all, but being who he is he coudlve survived on a comatozed state till Snoke found him and saved him becoming his aprentice.

Conflict is fine, it was a big part of Vader's character, he lost himself because of his desire to save the ones he loved. He redeemed himself for the same reasons. Even then he showed the same normal desires of that of which Sith show, desire to rule even over their own Master. The idea of black and white in mentality is needed in films, especially Star Wars because it is really that simple. Sith is bad, Jedi good. Kylo seemed just messed up more than conflicted, a lost emo kid who had too much power to understand things. Yet I guess the reasons for his 'downfall' will be explained in upcoming films. In the case of Vader however it was done by a stand alone film expanded to a series based on success and done amazingly well.

Hard to tell where they'll go with it all, most of what was here wasn't exactly expected.

 



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Hiku said:
StarOcean said:
Hiku said:
StarOcean said:

I have a feeling the true identity of Snoke is Darth Plageius He's got a lot of similarities!

I think so too. The way he is described matches Snoke's description.

But I secretly hope that Darth Plageius is actually Jarjar Binks. "Mesa is your father!"

It'd explain his screwed up face due to Sidious  

Jar Jar being the ultimate Sith Lord would be the greatest thing in film history XD

It would. xD




This guy meeting up with Palpatine has the same head as Jar Jar. Palpatine and Jar Jar are also both from the same planet.

Darth Jar Jar confirmed.

I think it would be the greatest thing if they ever actually did the darth jarjar thing but I believe the blacklash would be too much.

But some of the things in the theory do seem plausible and really believe maybe Lucas thought of the idea then backed out, cause the reveal of yoda in ESB and jarjar in the prequels are/would have been similiar, both of them are presented as bumbling comic releif characters at first, and the same way yoda does his back-to-front speech jarjar does his wierd speechy thing also.





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DakonBlackblade said:
StarOcean said:

It'd explain his screwed up face due to Sidious  

Jar Jar being the ultimate Sith Lord would be the greatest thing in film history XD



You know who I think might eb behind everythign and is Sonkes menthor ? 

Darth Maul, he is still alive and his wereaboats were unknown all troughout eps 4-6, I dont realy like the Plagueis theory, Sidius says he kiled him and he has very little backstory considering the EU doesnt count anymore.

While that would be cool too, I think it might be Plageius, my reason being he could cheat death, supposedly. So I think it's possibly Sidious thought he killed him but in actuality didn't, idk I just hope whoever Snoke or controls Snoke is an awesome reveal





StarOcean said:
DakonBlackblade said:

You know who I think might eb behind everythign and is Sonkes menthor ? 

Darth Maul, he is still alive and his wereaboats were unknown all troughout eps 4-6, I dont realy like the Plagueis theory, Sidius says he kiled him and he has very little backstory considering the EU doesnt count anymore.

While that would be cool too, I think it might be Plageius, my reason being he could cheat death, supposedly. So I think it's possibly Sidious thought he killed him but in actuality didn't, idk I just hope whoever Snoke or controls Snoke is an awesome reveal



Ye but thats in the expanded universe, in the new canon he has no backstory, he only exists cause hes mentioned once by Sidius on Eps 4-6.





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People complaining that Rey became too strong too quickly?

I don't get it. It's perfectly explained in the movie how she did it.



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- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
People complaining that Rey became too strong too quickly?

I don't get it. It's perfectly explained in the movie how she did it.

 


Then explain it for me. I missed that part.



captain carot said:
So why's Attack of the Clones not a mess to you then? It basically makes everything wrong a movie can do wrong-far to much Jarjar.

For people complaining about to many open questions, yes, there's open questions. BEcause it's over 30 years in-universe since RotJ and everything that happens in the EU now hasn't happened. Now we see most of the movie from Reys perspective who's from a planet that's even more backwater than Tatooine.
Not that Ep. 1 didn't have open questions. It's just that it always was so ridiculously obvious. Who didn't immediately know that Darth Sidious was Palpatine and Palpatine the later emperor? Maybe some five years old.

Now, i've been a big fan for a very long time. But the prequels sucked. Yes, they did. And at least 75% of the EU stuff just was painfully bad.

 

And this is even worse.

Seriously... did you see a star system getting destroyed? Did you feel anything? Who were those people? Why were they picked first? What was the republic and resistance doing to adress this situation with the first order? Why didnt they even know anything about the first order? How were they allowed to build up a fleet and an army and attack planets and yet still no one knew about them? This movie dropped off from nowhere with no context and you are saying that people asking for that context are in the wrong? Or that anything will be answered in later movies? How can we possibly know?

Tell me how the death beam divided into several minor beams all of a sudden. Cause that is a big flaw right there. This movie asks us to swallow things dry without even trying to explain anything.

Seriously, they should have made the beggining of the movie scenes of Ren's birth (maybe Rey aswell), moments of training in Luke's academy and what happened that destroyed it. We NEED to understand what those characters were feeling to accept the story. Just beeing told: Oh they got very cross or very sad and stopped hoping or fighting. Leia and Han separated even though they were clearly still in love: Why? Why didnt they go looking for Ren before? Luke's student killed his other students. Why didnt he go and fix the mistake?

Theres so many plot holes that this movie is like swiss cheese. You have to accept alot to be able to enjoy the little there is to enjoy.



d21lewis said:
Porcupine_I said:
People complaining that Rey became too strong too quickly?

I don't get it. It's perfectly explained in the movie how she did it.

 


Then explain it for me. I missed that part.

I suppose he means the flashback thingy she had, like it awoken something in her.

No explanation as to how she came up with the idea of mind control though, just like that, out of the blue.



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d21lewis said:
Porcupine_I said:
People complaining that Rey became too strong too quickly?

I don't get it. It's perfectly explained in the movie how she did it.

Then explain it for me. I missed that part.

Some odd thing called "The Force (awakens)". The alien lady with weird eyes told her that if she closed her eyes, she'd feel the force and stuff. So she did it.

Hippie shit, I know.





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