How exatly all thing that I wrote are too small!? They are huge changes, espacily Mobile games and new unified platform. They already said why there is no voice chat beacuse that their view of whole game, same like rotation of maps, and that certainly isnt big problem beacuse game is great. Today not every game have and needs to have online play, Mario 3D World is great game for local co-op and single player. Mario Party 10 and Amiibo Festival are just filers beacuse of Wii U delays and NX, nothing more nothing less. Terible E3 is also beacuse of NX. I really don't understand how you dont see that things like bad E3, Mario Party 10 and Amiibo Festival are direct sequences because of preparation of good NX launch.

Agree about need for diversity, and exatly that why we have game like Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade X..and we need more game like this (Metroid is certain for NX), but we definitely don't need Nintendo changing own great IPs (espacily Zelda).

If you saying that first HD, true open Zelda with biggest world ever, that looks beautiful, and what seems Zelda that will be one of the best Zelda games ever, very hyped game, that will probably be released on two platforms on which on one will very likely be launch title, will sell only like Wind Waker on GC, you are totally unrealistic. And I will remind you that Zelda WW on GC sold 4.5m.

Those changes don't show that they recognise their failure to appeal to the mainstream gamer. They still haven't made the changes they really need to make; diversifying their software output, making expected features like voice chat standard, etc.

And they don't need to change Zelda, they just need to return to its most popular form; the Ocarina/Twilight Princess approach, instead of dicking around with unconventional art styles.

And that's the thing, Zelda U is only a "very hyped game" among the Nintendo hardcore. Mainstream gamers don't care about it.

Those changes show that they are aware that they failed this gen and because of that they having big changes. And with NX they very clear that they will not compete again directly with PS/XB, they again will try something different, unique and mass appeal, something similar they done with Wii.

Main reasons why those two game are best selling games are because is not just beacuse OoT is first 3D Zelda and great Zelda game, its probably best game of all time, while TP was launch title on best selling Nintendo console ever. So Zelda U also can achieve similar goals. Beautiful unconventional Zelda U art style in era where almost every game have realistic art style is advantage not flaw, especially for type of game Zelda is.

Relly!? I wrote to you so many reasons why Zelda U will sell better than WW on GC and you mentione only hype!? Of Course that Nintendo fans and Zelda fans are very hyped, but mainstream is also aware of this game. But my point was that Zelda U is way more hyped game than WW on GC was. My points stands, you are totally unrealistic when you saying that Zelda U will sell like WW on GC.

Here's what you seem to fail to realize; as a Nintendo fan, you are a minority when it comes to the gaming population. Most gamers do not share your tastes and views. What you are hyped for, the majority of gamers don't care about.

Where I wrote that whole gaming market is very hype for Zelda U!? I wrote that those who are not very hyped (Nintendo and Zelda fans are very hyped), are very aware of Zelda U game, and that people are definitely more hyped for Zelda U then they were for WW on GC.

In my honest opinion, I think Twilight Princess benefited a lot from being a Wii launch title. I doubt it would have sold more than 4-5 million if it was a 2011/2012 title like Skyward Sword.

Exactly my thoughts as well, it was the biggest title at launch for the platform and also for an entire year until Galaxy and Corruption arrived, it's nothing to do with the visual style like a few are trying to push I think some are mistaking the fact that they liked the visual style of the game being the reason it sold well, MM shares the similar a visual style and was the least selling of the console games.

The are always around 9m or so Zelda fans around tbh it's just that the fanbase is very splintered as each game is different meaning the fanbase is a collection of groups who have different prefences in the approach.

I'm seriusly done with the people that don't wants to understand that the artstyle plays a big role in the Zelda series. It's like they just simply wants to ignore the bad reception of The Wind Waker and the praise and excitement that Twilight Princess got becoming the most hyped game in the industry (at that time).

Holy shit Nintendo were secretly telling us how long Jose aldo would last in the octagon! It was all a ploy!

TP was very hyped game (that E3 reveal give me chills every time I watched it..), but game itself turns out that was average Zelda game. WW had very bad reception on revile and on launch from fans, but ended with sales of 4.5m on GC and become one of the most loved Zelda, while TP being launch title on Wii with 5x better instal base manage to sell around 3m more, atach rate is around 20% for WW vs around 7.5% for TP. And TP being launch title on Wii affect very much on sales.