Bioshock - huge hype due to being successor to System Shock games.

Beautiful Katamari was the 3rd home console game in the series. It wasn't COD level sales, but at the time it game out, it was considered a successful franchise.

Lost Oddesey was OMG exclusive Square Enix RPG.

Blue Dragon was OMG Final Fantasy creator has written it.

There was hype and brand power behind them. Though now you bring in meta and sales, having just said they're nothing to do with your argument... Also having these "mediocre, poor selling" Japanese games vs 2015 not having anything of the sort does nothing but strengthen 2007's position.

Not sure where your trying to head with this, ill anwser it as cleanly as possible. Boishock is NOT the successor to System Shock, the games have nothing incommon apart from the SHOCK in there name and the RPG elements they carry. If you played System Shock you would understand this and i wouldnt have to explain it to you otherwise. Bioshock is a great game and yes a hyped one.

Beautiful Katamari, Blue Dragon, PGR and Lost Odyssy, hold nothing on Tomb Raider, Gears, Fable, Forza. Halo 3 was a huge selling game but selling more doesnt mean its a bigger game. Halo 5 is still selling well and the Halo franchise has never been bigger interms of its name. Same goes with TR, Forza, Gears and Fable, plus lets also include Rare's Replay and Ori and the Blind Forest just for some extras.

You were using Meta and sales for your argument, and i clarified that 3 of those games you mention did poorly in both aspects. Those games are forgotten games and during the 360 era, not many gamers even knows what they are, even today alot of gamers dont know what they are. They dont do your debate justice.  

Let me get this straight Azzanation.

You are saying that Halo 5 having sold WAY less than Halo 3 and reviewed 10 points BELOW, the game is bigger in what way? The franchise is bigger how?

Explain that to us, please.

Yes and that's why I bring up both. It had the best line up, most exclusives, better reviews and sales.  

At this point you're just arguing for the sake of it.  The 2007 list of 360 exclusives is legendary.  This year's nothing compared.  

And the 2007 list just gets bigger and bigger.  It's overkill at this point.  

Do you know what revenue is? Profit? popularity? All this make up the franchise not just in sales. Today there would be barely anyone who doesnt know what Halo is where as in 2007 it was still climbing.

Your argument is that you enjoyed the games more in 2007, doesnt make it bigger. Xbox's bigest franchises all released in the same time period in 2015. Sorry to say but Bioshock in terms of franchise isnt bigger then Halo, TR, Forza, Fable, Gears etc. Neither is half the dozen Japanese games you mention. Thats why its called Xbox's biggest line-up in history.

How can a game be more popular by selling less?

How can a game be more profitable by selling less?

To be fair, a better managed development budget can make a game more profitble despite selling less. However, I'd wager Halo 5's budget was actually bigger than Halo 3's.#

To answer Azzanation's points, I'd ask you the same thing. Most seem to favour 2007. You keep listing 2007 releases, and saying these are the reason 2015 is a "greater" Xbox lineup? Hell, your 2015 lineup is also having to draw on remakes of 2006 titles (which were a bigger deal in 2007 than they are in 2015) and ZX Spectrum and N64 games.

Do you honestly think Sales make up the entire profit of a game? What about Toys, Accessories, Hardware, Digital etc. There are many ways to make profit then phyical sales. Never base a games success based off its phyical sales because Sales can be misleading. MS could sell Halo 5 for $3 for years and say they  
sold 50m units. Does that make it successful?

Bro, stop LOL

Seriously, you are just discussing just for the sake of it. Xbox fans have to deal with the fact that their most popular franchises are not so popular anymore. Forza 6, Halo 5 and the upcoming Gears 4 are/will be proof of it.