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Miyamotoo on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:

All that you wrote are pure facts, but fact is also that some thing like that doesn't work anymore, PS4/Xbox One are revealed in same year and launched in same year were successfully, Nintendo saw that. Also whole year NIntendo heavily hinted and talked about NX, also Wii U is in very bad situation, they can't wait for another 2 whole years for successor, and if Nintendo would just reveal NX next year and said that will come in 2017. 3DS/WiiU sales would be almost death till NX arrives.

Like I said, revel year and half before launch dont work any more especially when you need sucesor very fast,I think Nintendo will do something similar like Sony done with PS4, probably official reveal around March, at E3 full NX blown up with NX games and other NX things and in November launch.

And launch it quietly so nobody cares for it? Great Idea!

They have to promote the NX whatever it is. After the Wii U they can't make a failure launch again. A 2016 reveal and release doesn't work for Nintendo. You compare it with Sony but Sony is Sony. PlayStation consoles sell well anyway. Nintendo consoles don't. Look at Microsoft: Reveal and Release in 2013 didn't work. People didn't know what Kinect is for, people still thought it has always-on and used games lock. In the end the Xbox One launch flopped. Nintendo is Nintendo. They can't throw out a console in 2016 and hope people will understand it without promoting it a lot. It will flop. But hey, you really semm to want Nintendo not being successful. I want Nintendo to be successful that's why I think they are smart and release it in 2017.

Sony is Sony and Nintendo is Nintendo!? Great point.

And Microsoft has very successful launch, actually Xbox One is selling better than Xbox 360 in same time.

Of Course that Nintendo need to promote NX a lot, they need much better promotion than for Wii U, but they dont need 1.5-2 of promotions, that would be stupid in modern era. 6-9 months is more than enuf of good promotions.

Also, are you aware that Nintendo is talking and hinted almost whole year NX, and that evry new NX information make big buzz on internet, and that Internet is very aware of NX and is thirsty for new NX infos.

Again, you can believe what you want, but all points that NX will be launch and that Nintendo will prepare good launch with big launch titles.



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Miyamotoo on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
Cobretti2 said:


Honestly a true Nintendo fan would say this.

"Wii U is a commercial failure, I want to see Nintendo bounce back bigger and better, I would rather see Zelda U go multiplatform at the same time to give the NX a CHANCE at succeeding at launch"

 

A moment of selfish happiness on a failed console is not going to bring you years of happines from Nintendo if Nintendo can't bounce back form this disaster. 

Why should I keep supporting a company that refuses to give me what I want? I would rather buy PS4 then. At least Sony listens to their fans. Nintendo shits on their fans.

Well Nintendo already released or will release almost all own IP-s for Wii U despite terrible Wii U sales. And they basically will support system till new console don't arrives next year. Sony after terrible Vita sale completely abandoned platform.



Miyamotoo on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
Kennel83 said:


That's a very bad business idea, if you think about it!

So in your opinion Nintendo should just sit down and see how their competition sell while they don't do "anything"? What is captain obvious is that as you said, if they can't compete now, they should release their next console in november 2016 when the wii u is 4 years old, same time the og xbox was an there wasn't any backlash from fans for microsoft, and they even sold more million consoles.

Anyone who feels betrayed by Nintendo for releasing the nx console next year is very naive. How can someone feel betrayed? They have released so many great games, even when they are not selling ok they are supporting the console. Look what happened with the vita. How many 1st party games have been released in the last two years? From a business point of view, they sure are loosing money, it's not as bad as the virtual boy was but they are not ok. They should have done it earlier but they'll wait the wii u to have 4 years to avoid fans outrage and avoid bad image.

I just don't get your point, honestly. You're suggesting that Nintendo waits as much as possible from ps4's peak year, which you say is next year, but the more they wait, the more people can buy a ps4 because as you said they can't compete now, so they would be like giving those sales to sony without a fight, and also the more they wait the closer the ps5 will be and the more market they loose.

Nintendo is releasing the nx next year, whether some people like it or not. It's the wisest thing to do. And I think you will like it after all. Enjoy all the fantastic games Nintendo has now and jump on the hype train next year, it's always fun :)

I must add that I agree with you on one thing, that Zelda U should be released before NX version, maybe 6-9 months. A lot of fans would double dip myself included, so it would be twice the sales. But I think they'll release Nx version first to boost the sales of the NX.

Anyway, nice topic Gamemaster! Though don't take things too personal man, it looks like you don't like it when people don't agree with you! :P

What I said is that they can't compete with the NX with PS4 and Xbox One. Those games got games for several year and are not the successors to a failed system. Nobody with a mind would buy the NX then if he doesn't own a PS4 yet. And I don't want them to do nothing, I want them to support the Wii U, to make money with it and to show fans that they can trust in Nintendo even in bad times. Rushing out the NX in 2016 will let the trust of the consumers in Nintendo fade away.

And no, I don't like a 2016 NX. That's a point where I will leave Nintendo for ever because the company chose to betray its fans and decided to die.

NX 2016 -> Nintendo's death (or at least the start of it)

You will have life span of 4 years instead usual 5 years of support where last year is usually completely dead.

NX 2016 -> great opportunity for NIntendo to back in saddle with completely new unified platform.

NX 2017 -> waiting for 2017. launch means much more irrelevant Nintendo than is today.



Gamemaster87 on 25 November 2015
zorg1000 said:
Gamemaster87 said:

2013:

Lego City Undercover: outsourced

The Wonderful 101: outsourced

Mario & Sonic: outsourced

2014:

Wii Sports Club: outsourced

Hyrule Warriors: outsourced

Bayonetta 2: outsourced

SMASH BROS: outsourced

Outsourcing is normal for Nintendo and nothing that indicates the end of a generation.

And Star Fox is still developed by EPD in cooperation with Platinum

Same for Twilight Princess HD: Developed by EPD in cooperation with Tantalus

Plus there's probably Pikmin 4 developed by EPD

Plus Zelda by EPD

Total of 4 internal games in 2016, more than in 2014. So, it's just normal.

Look at the 3DS now: internal games in 2016? None. According to your logic at has to get a replacement in 2016, not the Wii U

And that's what actually will happen: 3DS successor in 2016, Wii U successor in 2017.


Ur still ignoring that Star Fox & Zelda were originally planned as 2015 titles so that basically leaves Twilight Princess+Pokken Tournament+Shin Megami Tense x Fire Emblem as major releases originally planned for 2016, an HD remaster, an arcade port and a Japanese localization, none of which are developed by Nintendo.

Does this change the fact that Nintendo EPD is still developing Wii U games? No.



Gamemaster87 on 25 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:

OK, you think NX is 2017. thing, but tell me one if NX is really 2017 thing and Wii U/3DS need to survive on market for whole 2 years, why in whole 2015. year we didnt had almost any big new announcement for Wii U/3DS and why all new announcements we had are just a small projects, ports and spin offs, in other way fillers!?

If you dont know answer for that question I will tell you, because all big new projects and certainly some big Wii U projects that wasn't anuched are for NX now, they are heavily preparing for NX launch next year with those projects while they continue to support WiiU/3DS till NX launch with fillers that I mention and previosuly announced games that were delayed.

They won't keep the 3DS on the market for two more years. They will rrplace it next year. All the ports and Spin-Offs point to that.

On Wii U we have Star Fox, Pokken and Zelda. Big productions that indicate that Nintendo is still developing Wii U games. So, no new home console in 2016. When will you learn to deal with facts?

-Star Fox is game thats is announced in 2014. and initially had release date for this holiday season.

-Pokken is port of Arcade game.

-Zelda U is game that is announced in January 2013. and TP HD is HD port.

So of course that Nintendo is developing Wii U games that are induced way before, but we didn't had any new bigger Wii U announcement in whole 2015. year, and that doesnt make any sens if they want to keep Wii U till end of 2017.

You telling me to learn to deal with facts!? Basically everything you wrote isn't based on facts at all and doesnt make any sense.

Obviously it's a fact that Nintendo is still developing big Wii U games.



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Gamemaster87 on 25 November 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:

All that you wrote are pure facts, but fact is also that some thing like that doesn't work anymore, PS4/Xbox One are revealed in same year and launched in same year were successfully, Nintendo saw that. Also whole year NIntendo heavily hinted and talked about NX, also Wii U is in very bad situation, they can't wait for another 2 whole years for successor, and if Nintendo would just reveal NX next year and said that will come in 2017. 3DS/WiiU sales would be almost death till NX arrives.

Like I said, revel year and half before launch dont work any more especially when you need sucesor very fast,I think Nintendo will do something similar like Sony done with PS4, probably official reveal around March, at E3 full NX blown up with NX games and other NX things and in November launch.

And launch it quietly so nobody cares for it? Great Idea!

They have to promote the NX whatever it is. After the Wii U they can't make a failure launch again. A 2016 reveal and release doesn't work for Nintendo. You compare it with Sony but Sony is Sony. PlayStation consoles sell well anyway. Nintendo consoles don't. Look at Microsoft: Reveal and Release in 2013 didn't work. People didn't know what Kinect is for, people still thought it has always-on and used games lock. In the end the Xbox One launch flopped. Nintendo is Nintendo. They can't throw out a console in 2016 and hope people will understand it without promoting it a lot. It will flop. But hey, you really semm to want Nintendo not being successful. I want Nintendo to be successful that's why I think they are smart and release it in 2017.

Sony is Sony and Nintendo is Nintendo!? Great point.

And Microsoft has very successful launch, actually Xbox One is selling better than Xbox 360 in same time.

Of Course that Nintendo need to promote NX a lot, they need much better promotion than for Wii U, but they dont need 1.5-2 of promotions, that would be stupid in modern era. 6-9 months is more than enuf of good promotions.

Also, are you aware that Nintendo is talking and hinted almost whole year NX, and that evry new NX information make big buzz on internet, and that Internet is very aware of NX and is thirsty for new NX infos.

Again, you can believe what you want, but all points that NX will be launch and that Nintendo will prepare good launch with big launch titles.

Nintendo hints at the NX like they hinted at the Dolphin and the revolution? Nothing new here. However, both consoles were released the year after their announcement. For NX this would be 2017.

And yes, Nintendo is preparing a good launch with big launch titles for 2017. 



Miyamotoo on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:

All that you wrote are pure facts, but fact is also that some thing like that doesn't work anymore, PS4/Xbox One are revealed in same year and launched in same year were successfully, Nintendo saw that. Also whole year NIntendo heavily hinted and talked about NX, also Wii U is in very bad situation, they can't wait for another 2 whole years for successor, and if Nintendo would just reveal NX next year and said that will come in 2017. 3DS/WiiU sales would be almost death till NX arrives.

Like I said, revel year and half before launch dont work any more especially when you need sucesor very fast,I think Nintendo will do something similar like Sony done with PS4, probably official reveal around March, at E3 full NX blown up with NX games and other NX things and in November launch.

And launch it quietly so nobody cares for it? Great Idea!

They have to promote the NX whatever it is. After the Wii U they can't make a failure launch again. A 2016 reveal and release doesn't work for Nintendo. You compare it with Sony but Sony is Sony. PlayStation consoles sell well anyway. Nintendo consoles don't. Look at Microsoft: Reveal and Release in 2013 didn't work. People didn't know what Kinect is for, people still thought it has always-on and used games lock. In the end the Xbox One launch flopped. Nintendo is Nintendo. They can't throw out a console in 2016 and hope people will understand it without promoting it a lot. It will flop. But hey, you really semm to want Nintendo not being successful. I want Nintendo to be successful that's why I think they are smart and release it in 2017.

Sony is Sony and Nintendo is Nintendo!? Great point.

And Microsoft has very successful launch, actually Xbox One is selling better than Xbox 360 in same time.

Of Course that Nintendo need to promote NX a lot, they need much better promotion than for Wii U, but they dont need 1.5-2 of promotions, that would be stupid in modern era. 6-9 months is more than enuf of good promotions.

Also, are you aware that Nintendo is talking and hinted almost whole year NX, and that evry new NX information make big buzz on internet, and that Internet is very aware of NX and is thirsty for new NX infos.

Again, you can believe what you want, but all points that NX will be launch and that Nintendo will prepare good launch with big launch titles.

Nintendo hints at the NX like they hinted at the Dolphin and the revolution? Nothing new here. However, both consoles were released the year after their announcement. For NX this would be 2017.

And yes, Nintendo is preparing a good launch with big launch titles for 2017. 

Again, nothing points for 2017. launch all infos we have points for 2016. launch.



Miyamotoo on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Gamemaster87 said:
Miyamotoo said:

OK, you think NX is 2017. thing, but tell me one if NX is really 2017 thing and Wii U/3DS need to survive on market for whole 2 years, why in whole 2015. year we didnt had almost any big new announcement for Wii U/3DS and why all new announcements we had are just a small projects, ports and spin offs, in other way fillers!?

If you dont know answer for that question I will tell you, because all big new projects and certainly some big Wii U projects that wasn't anuched are for NX now, they are heavily preparing for NX launch next year with those projects while they continue to support WiiU/3DS till NX launch with fillers that I mention and previosuly announced games that were delayed.

They won't keep the 3DS on the market for two more years. They will rrplace it next year. All the ports and Spin-Offs point to that.

On Wii U we have Star Fox, Pokken and Zelda. Big productions that indicate that Nintendo is still developing Wii U games. So, no new home console in 2016. When will you learn to deal with facts?

-Star Fox is game thats is announced in 2014. and initially had release date for this holiday season.

-Pokken is port of Arcade game.

-Zelda U is game that is announced in January 2013. and TP HD is HD port.

So of course that Nintendo is developing Wii U games that are induced way before, but we didn't had any new bigger Wii U announcement in whole 2015. year, and that doesnt make any sens if they want to keep Wii U till end of 2017.

You telling me to learn to deal with facts!? Basically everything you wrote isn't based on facts at all and doesnt make any sense.

Obviously it's a fact that Nintendo is still developing big Wii U games.

Of Course that Nintendo is still working on those games, they certainly want canceled them because they keep their promises in that matter. But no new biger game announcements that are not small project, port or spinoff in whole year tell us something, all other Nintendo teams are heavily working on NX games and only new big games that Wii U will get are announced in 2014. or earlier.



Cobretti2 on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
Cobretti2 said:


Honestly a true Nintendo fan would say this.

"Wii U is a commercial failure, I want to see Nintendo bounce back bigger and better, I would rather see Zelda U go multiplatform at the same time to give the NX a CHANCE at succeeding at launch"

 

A moment of selfish happiness on a failed console is not going to bring you years of happines from Nintendo if Nintendo can't bounce back form this disaster. 

Why should I keep supporting a company that refuses to give me what I want? I would rather buy PS4 then. At least Sony listens to their fans. Nintendo shits on their fans.

How are they not giving you what you want? You still get the game on Wii U but yet you are too selfish to let it go multiplatform at launch lol?

The  Wii U console is a commercial failure, there is no point injecting it with pills anymore. No super pill will save it. Mario Kart or Smash Bros couldn't save it.

If Zelda U was to stay an exclusive it wouldn't reach it's sales potential and who knows how much money they pumped into this being their first HD zelda game with an ambition to make it a big world?

It only makes commercial sense for them to release it at NX launch to give that system a "fighting" chance of suceeding. If NX launches with no big games it will be dead on arrival. NX will need a line up 5x stronger than Wii U had at launch to make it fly of the shelves. You think they will not use one of their strongest franchises to make that happen?



 

 

zorg1000 on 25 November 2015
Gamemaster87 said:
zorg1000 said:


Ur still ignoring that Star Fox & Zelda were originally planned as 2015 titles so that basically leaves Twilight Princess+Pokken Tournament+Shin Megami Tense x Fire Emblem as major releases originally planned for 2016, an HD remaster, an arcade port and a Japanese localization, none of which are developed by Nintendo.

Does this change the fact that Nintendo EPD is still developing Wii U games? No.


They have one game set for 2016, everything else is outsourced.



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