How can Nintendo change their perception with the Wii U?

This isnt the N64 era anymore. Theres widespread internet and the competiton is fiercer than ever, offering consoles that last longer than what used to be a regular generation with more services than ever. This change is value proposition is very significant and we can't just act like nothing changed.

As for starting over and trying again, it really didnt work for SEGA. Why would it for Nintendo?

Just to note the PS3 comparison, its Nintendo's fault for not having dropped the price. Sony took a huge loss on the PS3 to make it a sucess. Its understandable that Nintendo might have not made that same decision, but it doesn show a different level of commitment. The Wii U sales didnt increase because of Nintendo. They were the ones that designed it and they were the ones that were supposed to support it.

I feel this will go in circles though, so i can only say: lets see what happens. In a way i want the NX to be what you want it to be, just so we can see what happens. But i am sure of one thing, Nintendo will not recapture the hardcore market releasing a system mid-generation. Obviously, cause it will come out with an insurmountable disanvantage in sales and will be faced with a new generation that amkes it obsolete. Actually, is it not the same thing Wii U was to last gen? I just don't know whow anyone can think this can work.

It didn't work for Sega but then again Nintendo isn't Sega, u can't just say it didn't work for them so it won't work for anyone. It did work pretty well for Microsoft though when they abandoned Xbox after 4 years and the successor sold over 3x as many units.

the Wii U's problem doesn't just revolve around price, PS3 was a desirable product that just cost too much initially, Wii U was never really hugely desired so price alone wasn't going to change that and at this point nothing is going to change the general publics opinion on Wii U.

I agree a mid-generation console aimed at stealing away the PS/XB fanbase will fail, that's why I don't think Nintendo has any desire to compete head to head with them. They want a more self-contained ecosystem where they can establish a sizeable install base and profits based off software by internal teams and partners.

Nintendo couldn't "PS3" the Wii U even if they wanted to, because the tech is a full generation behind the PS4/XB1 (or close enough to it) ... so they could drop the price all they want. People already have a PS3/360, why should they buy another system that's basically like the same thing?

That's the whole risk you run when you play the "lets make an underpowered console on purpose and bet it all on the controller to get people to buy it!" formula. 

Once the controller didn't take off, Nintendo was stuck up shit creek without a paddle. PS3 always had OK-to-good third party sales too, so they were never going to abandon Sony overnight. 

PS3's only problem was the price, and price always comes down. Nintendo/MS were dumb enough to let Sony have a purposely long generation though rather than jumping all over them and pushing for successors earlier, which Sony would not have wanted.

That said Nem, you could be right in that the same exact thing could repeat itself if Nintendo shows the NX, and then Sony has the PS5 and MS has the XB2 which are like far more powerful a year or two later. Nintendo might want to look into a upgradable console or something even if its not ideal, it's better than being backed into a corner with no options. 

The problem with that last quote is that the CONSOLE business has changed tremendously and Nintendo has not. 

Look at the top 10 of every NPD. Look at the games that actually drive this business today. Does Nintendo resonate with the COD crowd? The Madden crowd? The FIFA crowd? The GTA crowd? The Fallout crowd? 

They have virtually no serious standing with what the console industry has become -- violent action games and/or jock sports games. 

And they can talk all they want about changing it, but I don't think it's realistic. The industry is what it is, and people like what they like, and the fact is you're never going to get 16-30 year olds to play cartoony games at home as their go to. 

Even people who love to use the "yeah but adults go see Pixar movies!" ... how many adults watch as many or more animated films as they do live action movies? I see maybe 1 Pixar movie every 3-4 years and everything else are "grown up" movies. 

The kids market is another headache for Nintendo because in console terms, the console market is the US and Europe and US/Euro kids by the time they get to 9/10 years old all start to become obsessed with being "cool" and playing what their older brother is playing. 

The need for cartoony/friendly games is being served by mobile games, that's where people go to scratch that itch now. That's the problem is Nintendo is too out of touch with what the industry has turned into. This is not all Nintendo's fault, it's just what the industry has become, all the trends have turned against what it is they like to provide. It's not the 80s, 90s, or even early-mid 2000s anymore. 

They will make good money with mobile games no doubt, but the console business is going to be a very tough cookie for them to crack. Their best bet is that MS bails out, giving them some room to be the defacto no.2, but if MS decides to make another console, the market becomes overcrowded and Nintendo is kinda locked in that 3rd spot because they're always a bit too slow to react to the market. 

Report - Forbes forgot what does 'Forced' means.

Investor's tantrum isn't going to change Nintendo's plan if they decided to not release them for NX. No one is forced to do anything here.

U and I have talked about this multiple times, Nintendo games still hold a lot of weight, the problem is Nintendo expects u to buy two separate devices to have access to all of them. They are going to go on to sell something like 80 million units of hardware and 400 million units of software this generation, that's a sustainable market if they can retain most of that and with the right price/software/marketing/features they can potentially add to that number.

We are going completely around back to consumer perception. The original Xbox was the first system of an underdog in the market (comparable to the sega master system). The fact that they didnt give up after it was already a good sign for the consumer. Very different from the case with Nintendo. This isnt nintendo's first system.

For the rest we are seeing about the same. The Wii U wasnt a great value proposition, the question remains how the NX can change that.

What was the consumer perception of Gamecube? Not very good, look at how well Wii did.

What was the consumer perception of Playstation 2? Amazing, look at the drop PS3 had.

What was the consumer perception of Nintendo DS? Amazing, look at the drop 3DS had.

A new generation is like a clean slate, the success/failure of a console isn't dictated by the success/failure of its predeccessor.

Add to that PSP and Vita comparision.