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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 November 2015
Nautilus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The only difference in bechanics between Uncharted and Gears of War is verticality, platforming and style of melee (one is a quick death and the other is a sequence. Uncharteds cqc system is deeper). They are both coverbased action games based on cinematics, gritty close quarters movement. Many games hve been inspired by Gears and Uncharted this year, including the resurfacing of Tomb Raider....so Tomb Raider would not be the first. No different than God of War learned from Devil May Cry, set standards for the industry and then EA made two clones off of God of War in Dantes Inferno and Star Wars the Force Unleashed. 

FYI...Uncharted was originally supposed to be a fantasy RPG until Sony directed Naughty Dog to make a third person action/adventure shooter since Microsoft had their own TPS in the works (which at the time wasnt theirs but they were paying Epic for exclusivity by publishing it.)

Im not saying that the reboot of Tomb Raider is not based on Uncharted.It certanly is.Sure, it has its own things, like more versatility in combat, due to being able to carry different weapons, the exploration and higher focus on puzzles(outside of the "story path"), but all in all, you can see the influence that Uncharted had in the reboot.But that dosent change the fact that Uncharted borrowed alot elements, and general ideas, off from the originals Tomb Raiders, not the reboot ones.And the fact that Uncharted was supposed to be a fantasy RPG is irrelevant to this discution on to wheter a game was influential to it or not, since Uncharted is nowhere close to being a fantasy RPG.

And you forgot to mention a great difference between Gears and Uncharted:The story.Again, not played all of the gears games, but as far as i know, Gears story isnt that remarkable, and i dont hear people praising gears for its story.Uncharted, in other hand, is heavily regarded not only because it has a solid gameplay, but mostly because of its story, setting and cast of characters.And that is a huge difference between the two.

Nowadays, its almost impossible to say a game is fully original.Everyone borrows ideas pre stabilished from past games and franchises.And that includes Uncharted and obviously the reboot of Tomb Raider.The only example that i can think of now of a (almost) completely original game in recent years is minecraft.There is no shame saying your game is based on past successes.

Gears story might not be on par with Uncharted in quality but they are both action based TPS games. Their stories rely heavily on linearity, cinematics and set pieces. Much like I read once on a destructoid post, they said that Tomb Raider is a better Uncharted than Uncharted. It just goes to show how close Tomb Raider is in core mechanics to Uncharted itself in order to modernize itself. Yes, as i've already stated Uncharted learned its platforming and general indiana jones style tropes from Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider was always more about exploration and everyone knows that Sony has a hard on for story. Just saying though...if Uncharted would've followed Tomb Raider in the capacity that Tomb Raider followed Uncharted, the franchise would've been considered a true clone like Dantes Inferno to God of War. It also would've flopped hard.

Watch this comparison video to see what I mean. Tomb Raiders reboot was largely uncharted with a larger exploration environment. I have the next Tomb Raider waiting  as I am replaying Tomb Raider again so I can go from one game to the next fluidly. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsEdlykopbg



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ps3-sales! on 21 November 2015
freebs2 said:
ps3-sales! said:


Um, duh. If you read the op he's referring to Metacritic; not his personal opinion. 

That's kind of what this thread is about. Did you read the op? lol.

I read thee OP, in fact I was referring to your post, not to the OP. You said UC is overall much superior in metacritic terms, I asked if by with metacritc terms you meant scores. That's all.


Oh. Well yes I did lol.



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ihatefatkatz on 21 November 2015

I hope you are right



Fei-Hung on 21 November 2015

Tomb raider reboot reminds me too much of the event fast and furious films. It's very cheesy in the story and action department.

Any info on what the mp aspect is like in the game? Didn't CD say they were making something a bit different?



Nautilus on 21 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Gears story might not be on par with Uncharted in quality but they are both action based TPS games. Their stories rely heavily on linearity, cinematics and set pieces. Much like I read once on a destructoid post, they said that Tomb Raider is a better Uncharted than Uncharted. It just goes to show how close Tomb Raider is in core mechanics to Uncharted itself in order to modernize itself. Yes, as i've already stated Uncharted learned its platforming and general indiana jones style tropes from Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider was always more about exploration and everyone knows that Sony has a hard on for story. Just saying though...if Uncharted would've followed Tomb Raider in the capacity that Tomb Raider followed Uncharted, the franchise would've been considered a true clone like Dantes Inferno to God of War. It also would've flopped hard.

Watch this comparison video to see what I mean. Tomb Raiders reboot was largely uncharted with a larger exploration environment. I have the next Tomb Raider waiting  as I am replaying Tomb Raider again so I can go from one game to the next fluidly. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsEdlykopbg

I guess we are just misunderstanding each other.Yes, I agree with you that the reboot tomb raider is largely influenced to Uncharted.Not to the point of a being a better Uncharted than Uncharted, since in my opinion it has enough content to differenciate itself from it, but i digress.And yes, I also agree that Uncharted has just inherited the general idea of the originals Tomb Raiders, but not all of it, and it is able to stand on its own.

Its so great to see when two games are so loved that people like you and me have this type of conversation.Its actually refreshing to see constructive arguments, when most people on sites like ign just known to troll or say nonsense.Well, im looking forward to UC4 and Rise of Tomb Raider, so im good nonetheless!



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 November 2015
Nautilus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Gears story might not be on par with Uncharted in quality but they are both action based TPS games. Their stories rely heavily on linearity, cinematics and set pieces. Much like I read once on a destructoid post, they said that Tomb Raider is a better Uncharted than Uncharted. It just goes to show how close Tomb Raider is in core mechanics to Uncharted itself in order to modernize itself. Yes, as i've already stated Uncharted learned its platforming and general indiana jones style tropes from Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider was always more about exploration and everyone knows that Sony has a hard on for story. Just saying though...if Uncharted would've followed Tomb Raider in the capacity that Tomb Raider followed Uncharted, the franchise would've been considered a true clone like Dantes Inferno to God of War. It also would've flopped hard.

Watch this comparison video to see what I mean. Tomb Raiders reboot was largely uncharted with a larger exploration environment. I have the next Tomb Raider waiting  as I am replaying Tomb Raider again so I can go from one game to the next fluidly. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsEdlykopbg

I guess we are just misunderstanding each other.Yes, I agree with you that the reboot tomb raider is largely influenced to Uncharted.Not to the point of a being a better Uncharted than Uncharted, since in my opinion it has enough content to differenciate itself from it, but i digress.And yes, I also agree that Uncharted has just inherited the general idea of the originals Tomb Raiders, but not all of it, and it is able to stand on its own.

Its so great to see when two games are so loved that people like you and me have this type of conversation.Its actually refreshing to see constructive arguments, when most people on sites like ign just known to troll or say nonsense.Well, im looking forward to UC4 and Rise of Tomb Raider, so im good nonetheless!


Yes, its refreshing to have a conversation about this that isn't hostile. You should've seen how bad it was on VGChartz when the reboot came out two years ago. Good lord. LOL I have both consoles so I play both. I can definitely see now why Microsoft invested in the new Tomb Raider thinking that Uncharted was going to launch in fourth quarter. Well played. Two great franchises.



foodfather on 21 November 2015

Rise of TR is incredible. Vastly improved from the previous reboot and hands down the best game in its genre right now, even if the set pieces in Uncharted 2 were better.

I thought Uncharted 3 was disappointing and probably will be the same with UC4.

Agreed OP.



Protendo on 21 November 2015

I have the utmost faith that UC4 will be something special after the Last of Us.

We should all be hoping for something extraordinary. This sounds like fanboyism wanting another title to flop, but we should be gamers hoping the best, and we have no reason to expect otherwise from Naughty Dog.



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Nautilus on 21 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nautilus said:

I guess we are just misunderstanding each other.Yes, I agree with you that the reboot tomb raider is largely influenced to Uncharted.Not to the point of a being a better Uncharted than Uncharted, since in my opinion it has enough content to differenciate itself from it, but i digress.And yes, I also agree that Uncharted has just inherited the general idea of the originals Tomb Raiders, but not all of it, and it is able to stand on its own.

Its so great to see when two games are so loved that people like you and me have this type of conversation.Its actually refreshing to see constructive arguments, when most people on sites like ign just known to troll or say nonsense.Well, im looking forward to UC4 and Rise of Tomb Raider, so im good nonetheless!


Yes, its refreshing to have a conversation about this that isn't hostile. You should've seen how bad it was on VGChartz when the reboot came out two years ago. Good lord. LOL I have both consoles so I play both. I can definitely see now why Microsoft invested in the new Tomb Raider thinking that Uncharted was going to launch in fourth quarter. Well played. Two great franchises.

Never had a Xbox before, but Im really tempted to get one now.With Scalebound and recore, and all the other exclusives, i really want to get one.I just dont buy one because i have no money to buy it and to sustain 3 consoles at a time.But yeah, it was a great deal by microsoft!



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

kungfuian on 21 November 2015

I think this depends on how much Naughty Dog has learned and applies from making the Last of Us.

From an overall 'gameplay' perspective I think Tomb Raider 2013 was better than any of the Uncharteds (if you haven't played through with just bow and arrows I highly recommend it!). Not that the Uncharteds weren't great, because they are. I really love them all! I just enjoyed the combat and level design of TR a little better. It 'borrowed' the best bits of Uncharted's game play and added a level of depth and progression to the whole thing. Plus it offers a bit better implementation and balance of puzzles/exploration.

But then Naughty Dog went and made the Last of Us, which takes that formula and refines it well beyond both Uncharted and TR. That game is in a whole different league!!!

Granted I haven't played the new TR yet (looks really great)., but I still think it's a wait and see. If the new Uncharted is more of the same I might lean toward TR. But if it takes the best bits of the Last of Us and applies them to the Uncharted formula it's going to be tough to beat.

Plus Uncharted/The Last of Us both have infinitely better story telling/dialog. Where as the story telling in TR is just HORRIBLE..