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I always thought JRPG describes the style of RPG. Anime looks etc and it doesn't matter whether it's made by Japanese or western studio.



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BraLoD said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
BraLoD said:
LivingMetal said:


So would you call Halo 5 a WFPS?


If you wish, sure.

What matters is that's a FPS, if you wish to say were it comes from slap that W there.

W and J doesn't change genres, they tell you were it comes from.

WRPG and JRPG are defined as subgenres of RPG. The W and J tells you where the style is from not the game.

They can be used to describe a most common pattern of games by their cultural influences.

But a French game simply is not a Japanese game. As obvious as it sounds it's what you guys are trying to argue with.

RPG is a genre/style, it can be a Japanese-like RPG, but definitely not a Japanese RPG.
You can try to express how it feels comparing it to that cultural way of doing RPGs in Japan, but not say it's a Japanese game.

JRPG/WRPG are not subgenres. They are common expressions used by people to allure to a cultural style.

Cultural style is a genre. Styles are not restricted to location of origin.

Origin is also irrelevant in the discussion of a game's gameplay, unless you are concerned about the people who made the game rather than the game itself.

This isn't limited to just games, this is common in every media form. 



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BraLoD said:
LivingMetal said:
BraLoD said:
LivingMetal said:


So would you call Halo 5 a WFPS?


If you wish, sure.

What matters is that's a FPS, if you wish to say were it comes from slap that W there.

W and J doesn't change genres, they tell you were it comes from.

I don't because it's useless just as much as it's useless to put a "J" in front of "RPG" to denote origin.  It's just as useless to call Assassin's Creed a French Action Adventure.  And you know it, but you are not willing to be consistant with your argument because you have none. Do you call BlazBlue a Japanese Fighter while calling Killer Instinct an American fighter?  Of course not.  Please, really think about what you are saying.  How about calling Rayman an F-Platformer, Mario a J-Platformer, and LBP a B-Platformer?  This is YOUR logic being appiled here.

You using it or not is of your choice, that's not the point, at all.

What you can't it's call Halo a JFPS. Like people are calling a French game a JRPG.


So back to my original question: So would you call Halo 5 a WFPS?

That is my point to you because it's a point that was expounded from YOUR logic.  You're skirting the issue because you know I present a valid flaw in your reasoning.  So please answer the question above then answer the follow up question of "why or why not?"



BraLoD said:
Oh boy, it's escalating quickly.

It's starting to feel like it'll become personal, I have already been told to think about what I'm saying as if I'm not, someone thinks they know what I think or not better than I do and I'm being accused of dissimulation as if I don't really believe what I'm saying, I got a caps lock "YOUR" aimed at me, things may be getting heated up, things will get out of control if it keeps like this, I really don't like when things get personal.

Keep calling a French game a Japanese game then guys, what fits you better.

As much as JRPG is to represent a style of gaming, RPG is a genre, JRPG is not.

Anyway, it stops here.

You felt it.  So, yep, you're getting personal about it.



I don't know, guys. I support BraLoD here.

People mostly made the distinction about JRPGs and WRPGs because outside some games back in the SNES/N64/PS2 era, RPGs made in Japan followed almost the same basic pattern (turn-based, fancy companions, fixed Main Character, unique medieval/fantasy setting...), and WRPGs did so too (real-time, D&D-inspired combat system, customizable Main Character, more grounded in "reality"...etc). It was easier to tell a distinction given the place of origin.

We've now come to a time were those terms are meaningless. Reiterative. Should we call Dragon's Dogma a WRPG? Should we call Child of Light a JRPG? Who knows, but I think we shouldn't; those are games that simply take as inspiration those original basic patterns from different places of the developer's. Dragon's Dogma is still a JRPG because it's made in Japan, and Child of Light it's still a WRPG because it's made in the west. The basic patterns from the place of origin has definitvely warped, just as gaming isn't nowadays the same as back in the PS1 days.



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I like how this thread quickly devolved from the usual 1080p vs not 1080p stuff to "all role playing games developed in Japan are / aren't JRPGs" and "JRPGs are / aren't a genre of gaming" lol.

What if a role playing game is developed jointly by teams in Japan, Europe and other Western regions... does that make it a JEWRPG?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:
I like how this thread quickly devolved from the usual 1080p vs not 1080p stuff to "all role playing games developed in Japan are / aren't JRPGs" and "JRPGs are / aren't a genre of gaming" lol.

What if a role playing game is developed jointly by teams in Japan, Europe and other Western regions... does that make it a JEWRPG?


That game would be kosher.



First we had the argument that Bloodborne wasn't an RPG but a hack-and-slash game. Now we've got the argument that a JRPG is a style and not an indication of where it came from. Jesus, the mental gymnastics people perform in order to avoid conceding they're wrong is on an Olympic scale. Bloodborne is a JRPG made to suit a Western orientated audience, this game is an RPG made to suit a Eastern orientated audience.



 

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LivingMetal said:
NightDragon83 said:
I like how this thread quickly devolved from the usual 1080p vs not 1080p stuff to "all role playing games developed in Japan are / aren't JRPGs" and "JRPGs are / aren't a genre of gaming" lol.

What if a role playing game is developed jointly by teams in Japan, Europe and other Western regions... does that make it a JEWRPG?


That game would be kosher.

Mazel tov!



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.