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Cobretti2 on 30 October 2015
Cream147 said:

Anyone who's watched football (the round ball kind) has seen this. The ball is played across the box towards the star striker. The keeper is beat, the goal is gaping in front of the striker. There is only one outcome. Yet somehow, inexplicably, the striker manages to miss this open goal. Maybe he misses the ball entirely, or he hits the post, or blazes it over the bar. Whatever the case is, somehow the ball is not in the back of the net. What I have never seen is a striker routinely miss these chances, time after time. But watching Nintendo throughout 2015 has changed all of that, with last night's investor meeting being the final straw.

1) Delaying The Legend of Zelda Wii U - Do you remember when 2015 looked like a really promising year for Nintendo? The 3DS had a great line-up in the first few months which Nintendo did deliver on. Then in the latter half of the year it would be the Wii U's turn to shine. The crown jewel was going to be The Legend of Zelda Wii U. Oh dear. Taking away this game really emphasised the weaknesses in Nintendo's line-up.

People were really turning their heads at this game after that video last year. Wii U's would have been moved on this game alone. Alas, it wasn't to be, and it won't be either because by the time The Legend of Zelda Wii U comes around the NX will be very much coming and no one will want to invest in a soon-to-be obsolete console. In that sense they almost have to release this game on NX, but maybe that'll be an open goal they miss too. The delay may have been the best thing for this game, which did look a little bare bones last year, but it certainly hurt Nintendo's bottom line.

You really think this delay was not intentional? They obviously delayed it to get it on NX as a launch title.


3) No Animal Crossing Wii U - If there was one thing everyone thought was guaranteed to be announced this E3, it was a real Animal Crossing game for Wii U. There was a big gap in the Wii U's line-up for it, and Animal Crossing was very much due its next iteration. Animal Crossing is currently one of Nintendo's super-dependable series. It sells great worldwide and phenomenal in Japan. Units would have been shifted.

Now this probably wasn't an open goal missed this year, but rather last year or even the year before, when they should have started developing this incredibly obvious game. Instead we got two spin-offs. The 3DS Happy Home Designer was decent enough, but the Wii U party game looks distinctly sub-par and I imagine will have sub-par sales to match. It was totally brainless of Nintendo, who could have made a lot of easy money from a Wii U Animal Crossing.

Animal crossing is stale franchise needs a break.

 

6) Delaying Star Fox - Oh for the love of God. You take a mediocre holiday line-up and you take out the one saving grace. I love that Nintendo values quality over everything else. However, this is a game that they've been working on probably for years, and they need to learn how to make a deadline - especially when that deadline falls in the most important time of the year for them.

LOL. The game is average at best with no inspiration to improve the franchise and if you really think they been working on it for years then they been doing fuck all with it.


Concluding Thoughts

I wish that was all Nintendo had done wrong this year, but alas there has been more - plenty more. These were just the major decisions they have made which I think were undisputably and obviously bad. If anyone else has any suggestions for what other creative ways Nintendo have found to miss an open goal this year, of course I'd love to hear them. I'd also love to hear people try and defend Nintendo's record in 2015. I know someone will, despite everything I've said here! Did they have successes? Yes, of course they did, with Splatoon and Super Mario Maker being the standouts. The thing is, don't you think these few successes were vastly outweighed by everything I mentioned above?

My last point is that Nintendo's woeful form this year should inform us going forward. Next year, the NX is being revealed and possibly released. There is a lot of excitement and hype around these parts about it. Yet Nintendo keep missing open goals time and time again. Lower your expectations. The day I'll believe that Nintendo can get anything right at the moment will be the day I see them do it.


The rest I did comment on because no real gamer really cares about them.

It is blunty obvious their focus has shifted to NX ages ago.  Only time will tell how serious they are. 

Pretty sure every console maker has had delays, the only difference is that they have great 3rd party support to mask it.



 

 

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Cream147 on 30 October 2015

@Cobretti2

1) As I said, it's not that they will launch it with NX now, it's that they have to do that. Any other outcome will surely be disastrous in terms of that game turning a profit and moving hardware, because no one is going to want to buy the obsolete Wii U by the time Zelda comes out.

3) Speak for yourself on this one. New Leaf released in the West in 2013, and in Japan as early as 2012. It was a series that hadn't been totally exploited in my view, and Animal Crossing Wii U would certainly have shifted both software and hardware this holiday season. Instead, 2 spin-offs release in the holiday season and now the series does feel kind of stale.

6) I'm only going by what Miyamoto and others have said in terms of the development time. At worst, the game should have been in development for 18 months by now. Again, I don't disagree that it needed to be delayed, honestly probably for longer than it was. However, the problem is Nintendo's total inability to make quality games to a deadline. Look, I get that every company has delays from time to time. But Nintendo have a history of delays, and so it continues.

You might say that Nintendo's errors are exposed more because of the lack of third parties on their console. You'd be right, but Nintendo should realise that. They should have seen that delaying both Star Fox and Zelda from this holiday line-up was totally unacceptable and allocated the man-power, particularly to Star Fox, to stop that from happening.

Oh, and as for "no real gamer" caring about smartphone games, firstly I'm fed up of this elitist nonsense, second I care about Nintendo's smartphone offerings in the sense that I want Nintendo to improve and expand their brand, and nailing mobile gaming would help them do that.



Miyamotoo on 30 October 2015
Cream147 said:
@Cobretti2

1) As I said, it's not that they will launch it with NX now, it's that they have to do that. Any other outcome will surely be disastrous in terms of that game turning a profit and moving hardware, because no one is going to want to buy the obsolete Wii U by the time Zelda comes out.

3) Speak for yourself on this one. New Leaf released in the West in 2013, and in Japan as early as 2012. It was a series that hadn't been totally exploited in my view, and Animal Crossing Wii U would certainly have shifted both software and hardware this holiday season. Instead, 2 spin-offs release in the holiday season and now the series does feel kind of stale.

6) I'm only going by what Miyamoto and others have said in terms of the development time. At worst, the game should have been in development for 18 months by now. Again, I don't disagree that it needed to be delayed, honestly probably for longer than it was. However, the problem is Nintendo's total inability to make quality games to a deadline. Look, I get that every company has delays from time to time. But Nintendo have a history of delays, and so it continues.

You might say that Nintendo's errors are exposed more because of the lack of third parties on their console. You'd be right, but Nintendo should realise that. They should have seen that delaying both Star Fox and Zelda from this holiday line-up was totally unacceptable and allocated the man-power, particularly to Star Fox, to stop that from happening.

Oh, and as for "no real gamer" caring about smartphone games, firstly I'm fed up of this elitist nonsense, second I care about Nintendo's smartphone offerings in the sense that I want Nintendo to improve and expand their brand, and nailing mobile gaming would help them do that.

Whats one of the biggest differences between Nintendo games and all other games on market!? Almost every Nintendo game are still very polished and bug free on launch. Nintendo also could have less delays but that means less polishnes and bugs in Nintendo games.



Nem on 30 October 2015

I don't know if you noticed, but the person running the company died. That led it to a lul, wich is partially responsible for the things you are saying. I imagine the time before the new president was announced nothing big could be decided. Who knows what Iwata would have done.

My point is... just stop it. This one year they have a good excuse. Save the hate for next time.



Valdath on 30 October 2015
padib said:

3) No Animal Crossing Wii U - Lower your expectations, Nintendo never announced such a thing. Also, see point 5.


Welp, that's so sad.

 

But i guess it was true, why expect a home console AC game, it's not like there was one on the Wii... oh wait.

 

The only difference is that the Wii sold 100 million consoles and the Wii U barely over 10, ok i guess that's a pretty big difference.

 

 

Man i just want a real AC Wii U game with sweet amiibo integration...

 

Although i agree that it could still be a good game.



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bdbdbd on 30 October 2015
Toxy said:
bdbdbd said:

 

When did 2015 look like a promising year for Nintendo? 2007? If Zelda U is delayed the same way Twilight Princess was delayed to have it on Wii launch.

New 3DS, don't know about that one... 3DS wasn't doing that good anymore, so maybe it was a good thing to release.

I think Starfox had bad reception, so I'd expect it getting back to the table, so they'd make some changes - then again Platinum Games is behind Starfox Zero, and they have pretty bad track record when it comes to good games.

We already know Nintendo's quite a mess at the moment, been that for a while already. They're not putting out good games because that's not what they're interested in. Maybe it'll be fixed once NX is out, or maybe not.

@bolded. I was under the impression that Platinum Games are very well made, receive good reviews for the most part, and are enjoyed by the gaming community. Despite this their games do not sell that well. Just because Platinum Games don't sell to the masses, does not make their games lacklustre. Also, just because something sells well, does not necessarily make it good. 


Just because you like a game does not make it good. There's always one's personal preference you're entitled to, but when you think of Platinum games games, you should ask who's buying them? Masses aren't buying them, core gamers aren't buying them, hardcore aren't buying them. Then, who is? We already know reviewers don't mean shit anymore and they just try to play for their own pocket or the advertisers' pocket. In any case Nintendi desperately needs to sell, which means they need to make games that appeal to people.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

bdbdbd on 30 October 2015
Valdath said:
padib said:

3) No Animal Crossing Wii U - Lower your expectations, Nintendo never announced such a thing. Also, see point 5.


Welp, that's so sad.

 

But i guess it was true, why expect a home console AC game, it's not like there was one on the Wii... oh wait.

 

The only difference is that the Wii sold 100 million consoles and the Wii U barely over 10, ok i guess that's a pretty big difference.

 

 

Man i just want a real AC Wii U game with sweet amiibo integration...

 

Although i agree that it could still be a good game.


Animal Crossing actually did more than 3 million on Gamecube. However, it can top 10 million on handhelds, so Nintendo isn't interested in making an AC game for home consoles because it would be a waste of resources.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Cream147 on 30 October 2015
Miyamotoo said:

Whats one of the biggest differences between Nintendo games and all other games on market!? Almost every Nintendo game are still very polished and bug free on launch. Nintendo also could have less delays but that means less polishnes and bugs in Nintendo games.

And while there's obviously truth in that, I hate to think how much money Nintendo have lost due to delays. The holiday season is so crucial to all game developers, and this year Nintendo just simply won't see the kind of sales they could have, both hardware and software. Maybe if they planned to release everything in say January or February, then when the inevitable delays come then it gets put off into the holiday season, rather than like Star Fox where a holiday game suddenly becomes a February game.



zorg1000 on 30 October 2015
DevilRising said:
padib said:
Wright said:
padib said:

So once again the issue is not the delay, the issue is that there are so few games releasing for the system that when delays happen, they matter a lot.

Nintendo should consider porting some 3DS games to the WiiU to ease the pain. :P

That would delay things even more. :S

What they are doing, and it's the right thing to do, is to coast out the U until NX launches next year. Then they won't need to port because the API will make games compatible across Nintendo's new family of systems.

 

 

But honestly, the NX should not launch next year. They should wait till 2017. If they push it out next year, I have a strong feeling it's going to be a Sega Saturn type of situation, where they just don't have enough ready, third parties don't have enough ready (if they even make anything to begin with), etc. If they wait to launch in 2017, even if it's like a spring launch, I think it would give them more time to make SURE they have a strong launch lineup, but also a steady flow of games after the fact.

Plus, maybe it's just me being "selfish" as a Wii U owner, but I want them to release more games for it before they're done. I have invested a lot of time and money into that system, and I would like to at least get a full slate of 2016 games before they expect me to rush out and plop down another $300-400 (or possibly more, hopefully not) on a whole new system.


NX absolutely needs to release holiday 2016, all of Nintendo's major studios next releases are on track to release between 2016-2018. If many of those titles are late 3DS/Wii U projects than NX will have a horrible post-launch lineup and software output.

EAD Group 1-releases a new MK roughly every 3 years. DS-2005, Wii-2008, 3DS-2011, Wii U-2014. They are also able to work on smaller projects in between like Nintendogs or DLC.

EAD Group 2-released Animal Crossing/Nintendo Land during holiday 2012 then Happy Home Designer/Splatoon in mid-2015, next projects will likely be late 2017-1st half 2018

EAD Group 3-we know Zelda U is coming next year, if that's not cross-gen it will be at least 2020 before NX gets a Zelda title. They also go about 2-3 years between 2D Zelda (PH-2007, ST-2010, LBW-2013, TFH-2015) a new 2D Zelda in 2018 is possible.

EAD Group 4-New Super Mario Bros U released in 2012 with Super Mario Maker in 2015, Pikmin 3 released in 2013 with Pikmin 4 in 2016 being likely so about 3 years between projects for them. The next 2D Mario, whether it be more like NSMB or SMM or perhaps a mix of the 2, should release in 2018. Pikmin 4 may be a late Wii U title or a launch window NX title.

EAD Tokyo-releases console 3D Mario about every 3 years (Galaxy-2007, Galaxy 2-2010, 3D World-2013) with a smaller project in between (3D Land-2011, Captain Toad-2014) so a new 3D Mario as a big launch game to go with Zelda would be huge with a smaller spinoff title releasing the following year.

Retro Studios-releases a new title about every 3-3.5 years (Prime 3-Aug 07, DKCR-Nov 10, DKCTF-Feb 14) so a new project in mid-2017 is very likely.

Intelligent Systems-last 3 Fire Emblem releases were about 3.5 years apart so the next one in late 2018 is likely with a western localization in 2019. Codename STEAM released in spring 2015 so they can probably get a new project out in 2017 or 2018, perhaps they return to Paper Mario series and a new Pushmo can probably release around that time as well.

ND Cube-Wii Party U & Mario Party 3DS released in late 2013 with Mario Party 10 in early 2015 and Amiibo Festival coming next month, 2016 will probably be an off year then a new party game in 2017.

Hal Laboratory-Return to Dreamland released holiday 2011, Triple Deluxe in January 2014, Rainbow Curse in Feb 2015. 2016 off year followed by a new Kirby in 2017.

Game Freak-Pokemon Z is most likely releasing for 3DS next year but new generations have consistently released every 3-4 years (1996, 1999, 2002, 2006, 2010, 2013) Pokémon Gen 7 for Holiday 2017.

Sora/Sakurai-developed Smash 4 in under 3 years so if they get started on Smash 5 shortly after finishing DLC than they can probably get it out for Holiday 2018.

A first 2 years that looks like this is possible and would be awesome

November 2016-Legend of Zelda/3D Mario

February 2017-Kirby

March 2017-Mario Party

May 2017-Mario Kart

August 2017-Retro Project

October 2017-Pokemon Gen 7

November 2017-Paper Mario

December 2017-Animal Crossing (Japan only)/Captain Toad 2

March 2018-Splatoon

June 2018-Animal Crossing (West)

July 2018-Fire Emblem (Japan, 2019-West)

September 2018-2D Mario

October 2018-2D Zelda

November 2018-Smash Bros



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Miyamotoo on 30 October 2015
Cream147 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Whats one of the biggest differences between Nintendo games and all other games on market!? Almost every Nintendo game are still very polished and bug free on launch. Nintendo also could have less delays but that means less polishnes and bugs in Nintendo games.

And while there's obviously truth in that, I hate to think how much money Nintendo have lost due to delays. The holiday season is so crucial to all game developers, and this year Nintendo just simply won't see the kind of sales they could have, both hardware and software. Maybe if they planned to release everything in say January or February, then when the inevitable delays come then it gets put off into the holiday season, rather than like Star Fox where a holiday game suddenly becomes a February game.

Let's be honest, Star Fox really looked like it need to be more polished, I didn't think they will delay biggest holiday game but they did. I really wanted to play Star Fox next month, but in same time I am glad because they will polisheit and improved. Also I think it's March game, not February.