1. Consoles have similar problems with games. Just look at the number of updates they need these days and some never get fixed (google Skyrim PS3)

2. Completely false considering a mid-high tier PC from March 2012 is still capable of playing equivalent games at higher settings and resolutions than PS4 (that's mine btw; Core i5 2500K, 8Gb RAM and an AMD HD7870).

3. It's 2015, not 2000. There are plenty of controllers, case designs and interfaces to make gaming on a couch and TV a viable option. Valve are introducing a bunch of PCs just for that.

No, you're just lucky, I guess.

To be fair, GPUs are due a die shrink. It feels like they've been stuck at 28nm for a long time.

I also think you're seriously underestimating the performance difference between the GTX960 and HD5850.

This thread is basicallyturning into that which is a darn shame.

And of course it had to turn into a typical PC vs console thread by a few in here that have always hated PC and just came in regardless, what is the point in that at all?, I don't like the PS4 and don't desire an XB1 yet I don't hop in those threads hardly at all. I came back from a small hiatus and decided to comment on a few select threads and here was me thinking things would change.

I figured from the start which was kinda why I jumped in to have my say but there are definitely some folk on here who have previously stated their dislike for PC's and PC gaming in general, they really shouldn't be poping into this sort of thread to make it a proper PC vs consoles argument and trying to turn it completely into consoles favour but then again the OP worded things towards the can of arguments that were going to come in and also titled it as such which also begs to invite users who were against PC gaming anyway.

Like it's really no secret that I have no interest in the PS4/XB1 but I'm still not likely to jump into their mega threads or system label only threads to downplay what they are talking about.

I mean at the end of the day we should just game on what we like and all that jazz than being at each other's throats and constantly indulging in the downplay game but at the same time getting the facts straight.

See the more I see this site when it comes to PC news the more I see a waste of effort, for a time I watched when PC article came out to see how fast VGC can catch up on PC type news than say PCGamer does or Dtoid and other sites but even when they do the comments are pretty much empty until it;s something PC gets or has acheieved is when downplaying comments come into play and it just speaks volumes of how much the site cares for PC gaming, that is to say it's not entirely a welcoming place or users making you feel unwelcome.

I love PC gaming for what it offers and what is is, I've always loved playing some games on my PC's through the years from being a kid to now and played consoles in the past as well but now I just don't see that being a thing this gen (except for Wii U) and decided to fully keep with PC, I don't care what people play on tbh but I do care when they try to butt in and make excuses as to why their lack of giving PC a try is somehow better than not trying it at all and that's what I will never understand from these people who choose to constantly come in and downplay and then claim we downplay them all the time (because lets face it that's always going to be one of their backup arguments even though we lack PC users on the site to begin with).

You know what was funny though, a few weeks ago I ordered a new PSU and GPU (GTX 980 AMP edition and EVGA 750w) and once they arrived I thought I wasn't going to get it right plugging them in since my last PSU had a different layout but in the end I got them both sorted and it really is building with legos (I notcied that legos image in a PC related thread a few days back =P).

Also recently thought of upgrading my ram since I'm feeling 8gb isn't enough for me, I don't do video editing yet but I do use animation software and generally like to keep some clients open and over the years I have become memory and process obcessed so I like to keep usage and consumption as low as possible. Wondering where to get a nice kit of 16gb (high quality) though since I could use PC parts picker but I've noticed they don't always have the kits I'd love to use, I could probably just use Scan.co.uk instead though.

PS4 MASTERRACE

AMD APU RACE

I'll give it a go;

1: Constant fiddling with drivers and settings. No, I update my graphics drivers about once every two months or so, the process is entirely automatic and can usually be performed in the background. Drivers for motherboard, sound card, HDD and SSD, optical readers and network gear is usually out of the box and practically never needs updating. GPU's are the only components which require frequent or semi-frequent updating. The firmware updates and various app updates on consoles are an equal hassle, sometimes more since the servers are terribly slow (especially on PS). I've also experienced not being able to play a new game at all (GTA V) because I lacked the newest firmware on my PS3 when I was without a connection for 2 months, the game simply would not start and I was forced to bring my PS3 to a friend's house across town, ride 30 minutes of trains and bus each direction simply to update it, this has never happened to me on PC ever since we entered the modern era of gaming (I've also spent 3-4 hours waiting for Gran Turismo 5 and 6 to update after not having played them for a while).
As for settings; I'm assuming you're talking about games here. Never have I "constantly fiddled" with settings in games, I buy the games, install them and then choose every setting and bind the keys and then I play the game, usually never touching the setting ever again until I'm done with the game, so that part is an outright lie at least.

2: Frequent upgrades required; no. I had my last rig for 5 years and it was in the upper middle segment of performance when I bought it, I never so much as replaced a single component in it. It was still fully functional and even ran the newest games, but I wanted more oomph and decided on a new one (and went balls-to the walls). This is among the favorite arguments of console gamers, but it's also an outright lie. Frequent upgrades are not required, my current rig can probably go for 7-8 years if I add another GPU on SLi setup, with no other components replaced, it won't max them but run them at least (1080p and unstable 30 FPS console gaming isn't anything to shower with pride either imo).
I guess it comes to to your definition of "frequent", but to me, every 5 years or so is not frequent, that's actually more or less in line with most console lifecycles for early adopters (with One and PS4 being exceptions and not the rule, PS3 and 360 had unnatrually long lives due to the HD era being ushered in).

3: Requires extra space to set up desktop, monitor and input devices. My monitor is huge (32") and my desktop is a Big Tower as well, it easily fits in my 1 room appartment of around 37 square meters though, and I also have a 46" TV here. My input devices are as follows; a Logitech 2.1 system with the small speakers placed on each side of the monitor on my fairly small desk and the bass placed directly below on the floor, an HD camera for Skype on top of the monitor and currently a Xbox 360 controller I use for FIFA. That's not really a terrible hassle and my screen and tower is vastly bigger than average. Besides; the TV + console + possible surround takes up a lot more room, so this is a non-argument at best and seems like serious grasping at straws.
If you can't afford living conditions that will fit a desk and a desktop computer, you probably don't have cash to spend on console gaming and a decent TV either.

4: Having to play with kb/m in MP just because everyone else is. Another non-argument; "the majority of users are using a controller setup I don't like, the platform is unfit for me." That's just personal preference. I hate playing FPS games and most RPG's with controllers, that doesn't mean that I complain about people playing Battlefield on PS and Xbox and state that I can't buy those consoles because other gamers are using controllers I don't like.
Keyboard + mouse is superior in every way on FPS and 3rd person games, as well as RTS and RPG's with lots of shortcuts and hotkeys; the fact that you don't like it personally is not an argument against PC gaming in general from any objective standpoint.

These are not proper arguments at all, they're either false or simply completely subjective and/or irrelevant. It's fine that you don't appreciate or like PC gaming, I can understand it on some level, but the above points are not fit to dismiss PC gaming as a whole.
There are a hundred arguments of the same nature I could use against consoles, but I don't because I see their lack of value in the discussion.
Some prefer console gaming (I did too for many years) and some prefer PC gaming and that's fine, we can't really "defeat" the other' preferences by imposing our own, especially with non-arguments and personal anecdotes on likes and dislikes.

Can all of you please stop with the derailing?

To the OP: Hope you don't regret it or rather hope you can enjoy pc gaming from now on (great platform).