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And it will stay that way unless they're releasing on PC. You ain't gonna get me to buy a shooter for a shitty controller.



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vivster said:
And it will stay that way unless they're releasing on PC. You ain't gonna get me to buy a shooter for a shitty controller.

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SvennoJ said:
Considering 21 million Uncharted sales (all combined), 85.9 million ps3 sales (vgchartz) = 75% never played an Uncharted game. 50% of ps4 owners didn't own a ps3, 25.4 / 2 = 12.7 million plus 75% of the other half is a total of 22.2 million potential ps4 customers that never played Uncharted or 87% of the current ps4 install base.

I can do math too.


It's way more than 75%, unless you think that every single person who played U1 only played U1, every single person who played U2 only played U2, and every single person who played U3 only played U3. The sales overlap. That's what a franchise does.



SvennoJ said:

All true, but do you really think the marketing department did any real 'research'...

Well, the easiest research for Sony would be searching in the trophy-list of each PSN-account with a registered PS4. How many of these PS4-accounts (a subset of all PSN-accounts) have no PS3-Uncharted-1/2/3-achievements?

 



I find that pretty hard to believe. They keep trying to put forth this notion that LOTS of people who never played PS3, are buying PS4. And quite frankly, considering how many PS3s eventually wound up out in the wild, I just don't really buy it. MOST of the people who already own PS4, are people who likely owned PS3. Just like MOST people who own an Xbone, likely owned a 360. Not ALL, but most, for sure. I just don't buy these lofty claims of totally new buyers.



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DevilRising said:
I find that pretty hard to believe. They keep trying to put forth this notion that LOTS of people who never played PS3, are buying PS4. And quite frankly, considering how many PS3s eventually wound up out in the wild, I just don't really buy it. MOST of the people who already own PS4, are people who likely owned PS3. Just like MOST people who own an Xbone, likely owned a 360. Not ALL, but most, for sure. I just don't buy these lofty claims of totally new buyers.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/17/sony-remasters-serve-the-40-percent-of-ps4-owners-that-didn_2700_t-own-a-playstation-3.aspx

Well 40% is a number almost comparable to a current gen 3rd placer sales so... Can't really say the same is true for xbox one.



DevilRising said:
I find that pretty hard to believe. They keep trying to put forth this notion that LOTS of people who never played PS3, are buying PS4. And quite frankly, considering how many PS3s eventually wound up out in the wild, I just don't really buy it. MOST of the people who already own PS4, are people who likely owned PS3. Just like MOST people who own an Xbone, likely owned a 360. Not ALL, but most, for sure. I just don't buy these lofty claims of totally new buyers.

If I recall correctly that statistic comes from new PSN and XBL subscribers. PSN account cover all PlayStation products so you would only create a new one if you never had a PlayStation device before. Yes its possible that those with PS3's waited till PS4 to make a PSN account, but that is extremely extremely unlikely. You also register your devices on your PSN to tie them to your account, so sony can easily see who got PSN with PS4, and I'm sure XB1 works similarily.

 

Assuming most people who already own a PS4 have owned a PS3 and similiar is pretty baseless, especially considering last year's PS3 releases and this year's cross releases. There is simply more evidence to the contrary.



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kurasakiichimaru said:
DevilRising said:
I find that pretty hard to believe. They keep trying to put forth this notion that LOTS of people who never played PS3, are buying PS4. And quite frankly, considering how many PS3s eventually wound up out in the wild, I just don't really buy it. MOST of the people who already own PS4, are people who likely owned PS3. Just like MOST people who own an Xbone, likely owned a 360. Not ALL, but most, for sure. I just don't buy these lofty claims of totally new buyers.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/06/17/sony-remasters-serve-the-40-percent-of-ps4-owners-that-didn_2700_t-own-a-playstation-3.aspx

Well 40% is a number almost comparable to a current gen 3rd placer sales so... Can't really say the same is true for xbox one.

PR spin to justify all the remasters.

We all know that most of these remasters will be bought by people who played the original anyway.

The only reason they're making remasters is because they're low effort, cheap to produce and fill in droughts in first party line-up.



I played them all on PS3 and will play them again on PS4 :)



Samus Aran said:

PR spin to justify all the remasters.

We all know that most of these remasters will be bought by people who played the original anyway.

The only reason they're making remasters is because they're low effort, cheap to produce and fill in droughts in first party line-up.


That's certainly not the only reason (actually you listed multiple reasons so your grammar should be plural), especially when the PS4 platform has new and exclusive titles being announced or released on a seemingly daily basis.  

 

A possible and even likely situation is that they're remastering high selling titles from last gen to subsidize the loss they take/took on their riskier IPs that did not turn a profit.  In parallel with loss leading hardware, you can also create loss leading software that can draw in niche crowds who would otherwise not consider buying the console.  There's a variety of reasons a platform holder might do this - Firstly it bolsters their 1st party/exclusive portfolio; next, we have to consider the possibility that all of these niche gamers add a giant heft to accumulative sales at the end of the day. Then there's the fact that you're adding diversity, thereby adding value to the brand.  Think about this - What is Playstation known for, gen after gen? Diversity. Something for everyone.  Take into account that roughly 2/5 first party titles actually make them money. How can they possibly sustain this business model? Well, those 2 profitable titles get launched into the stratosphere.  They make up for the less selling titles.  

 

As for the remaster situation it makes absolute business sense as to why they're doing this; Approximately half the fanbase switched from a different brand, they can recoup some of their loss on the weaker selling titles, and, like you mentioned, it's just more games I can say my PS4 can play.  The fact that you're picking on them for something that is business savvy, logical and not doing any harm to you, me, the brand or potential buyers tells me that you should not lead a company.

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