Ok, regardless of whether you think it is a real 3D game or not, that isn't what the OP said. He said it wasn't a real game. It is most definitely a real game, and it is a major mainline franchise installment. It can be 2/2.5/3 or whatever other D people want to call it, but it is a mainline franchise game, and that isn't up for debate.

Some should really get over SM64, it was an amazing game at it's time, but...

Mario 2D or 3D needs to be fast, 3DW is one of the best games of the gen and IMO it's a bit too slow to my liking, making another Mario 3D exploration slowfest like SM64 would be a mistake.


Want to explore in a 3D world? there's 100 multiplat games that do it great, but nobody does platforming like the Mario franchise.

Different game different approach, in 3DW the levels are the stars, rather then go into the same level over and over each concept has its own level, this stops things like in Galaxy were paths can't be accessed for no reason simply because you're not doing the right star or in other games were one level would only have 1 star because they couldn't do much with the design. Oh and Galaxy 2 used a similar map system so it's like SMB3 as well right? The map is also more like SMW in 3DW. You're arguing the game is like SMB3 but have failed to connect every element to SMB3 alone (that game didn't even use flagpoles funny enough) and instead matched the game right across the whole franchise like I've said.

So you admit other 3D games had collectibles as well but don't want to acknowledge it's not a 2D trait, moving goal posts, I'm gueesing Resident Evil and a number of other games weren't 3D because they didn't use full analogue controls for a long while right? I'm going to ignore you even suggested that as a valid point because of how hilariously bad that is.

Many levels in 3DW are nothing like what you'd get in 2D games either and are closer to what we got in the Galaxy games further highlighting the game is more a mix of everything in the franchise.

I am sure tehy will learn from WiiU mistakes and all games mentioned will come to NX as well as WiiU they are the main Nintendo IPs

How do I have to explain. This is not a different approach. This is the same as a 2DMario. Honestly, have you played one? Because stars are not levels. Levels on a 2D Mario don't have an objective, it's just pure platforming and reaching the flagpole (or the cards in SMB3, does it matter for you to defend?). 3D worlds in 3D series have an objective to obtain the star with an adventure feeling.

And no, no no no. This map is not like SMW, again, have you played it? SMW overworld is a unique world with different secret paths that you discover in the levels. 3DWorld is the same as SMB3 because you have different themed worlds, hell, those are called Worlds! World 1 is grass land. World 1 overworld in 3DWorld is grass land. In SMW you have Donut Plains, Vanilla Dome, Forest of Illusion, areas of the same world.

And as I mentioned but you simple wanted to ignore, blue coins are collectables that you can use to get more stars, but can finish the game without those. Can you finish 3D World without a single green star?

And you don't have to ignore nothing. RE, in your comparision, started with those controls, 3D Mario series on the other hand started with a full 3D movement. This is a step back.

Finally, Galaxy 2 has elements of 2D Marios like the map and the focus on platforming rather than adventure. Miyamoto told us that since before release (part of why Galaxy 1 is better to me).

I've played them all just fine, notice how you've changed your argument from SMB3 to 2D Mario now while mine remains the same, 3DW is a mix up of all the games in the franchise.

You and a group of others as I mentioned before only notice the 2D elements more because you're not accustomed to them in the 3D games, read what I posted properly, the levels in 3DW are essentially the stars in that rather then go into the same level again which then changes in design to match the mission you simply have a level dedicated to the task you complete, the collectibles you get unlock other levels much like the Red and Blue coins unlock more stars/shines. All the games are about pure platforming whether stars, flag poles or cards, it can be argued that the stars are collectibles, the objective in the games was always get through the levels you think a screen flashing up in front of you telling you what to do made things any different.

The map design is like SMW, it even has secret paths you discover in levels as well I'm beginning to question how much of 3DW you've played to post that, the worlds are themed like in SMB3 but the design is most certainly like SMW sorry not even up for debate on that one. Again I'm going to ignore the control argument because it's one of the silliest ever brought up sorry but that's the truth.

Galaxy 2 has elements of the 2D games in it yet you and the rest of your mob here don't don't throw the same silly 3D Mario stance at it, this comes down to what someone mentioned earlier in that Galaxy 1 and 2 would fall in the same boat as 3DW besign of very close designs to eachother only differences is the 3DW world has a different approach so those not keen on the latter will gladly use that stance only against the latter.

But Mario 3D World is full 3D game not 2D game, same as Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy.

4.30m till 30. June, Mario 3D World showing great legs, it will probably pass Sunshine numbers even whitout bundle or a Nintendo Select.

Tropical Freeze isn't a true DK game? what is a real DK game then? rofl

Well, and since you mentioned Mario... I really tried to love Super Mario 3D World like everyone else did, but I just couldn't. I love every single Mario game since the NES era, but 3D World is just boring (imo). I'm not saying that it's a bad game, but 64, Galaxy and Sunshine are far superior