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Should Someone's Religious Beliefs Circumvent Another's Legal Rights

Yes 47 14.33%
 
No 251 76.52%
 
See Results 30 9.15%
 
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kiop900 said:
mornelithe said:

I think they probably could have, but it would result in a protracted legal battle over being fired via religious discrimination.  Much better and easier on the State to let the SCOTUS ruling deal with it.

You can't fire an elected official, the same way you can't just fire the President or a member of congress.

Yeah I keep forgetting she's an elected official, my bad.  Thanks for pointing it out though.



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Normally I would say she should just lose her job, jail is not necessary, but her position is an elected one so no job loss without impeachment.



it is sad it came to this but it i important that it she isn't allowed to get away with it. it would be a very dangerous precedent to allow people simply to pick and choose the laws they obey on the grounds of religion.



tiff3110 said:
Religious people being their religious selfs, not really a surprise. She should totally get fired.

It's freakin Kentucky.

You don't think out of the millions of other Clerks in the country, there are no others who identify as religious, and hell even don't agree with the law but still follow it because its their job?

Maybe we shouldn't generalize one person misbehavior to every single person on the planet who has a religion?



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CosmicSex said:
HoloDust said:
I see this as someone who's not doing the job they're payed for. If her employers are not satisfied with her, they should just fire her.

But calling out for her to be arrested for doing her job poorly is just as bad and sad.

Do you know why she was arrested?  She went to the courts (all of the way to the supreme court) and petitioned them to enforce a stay of execution so she would not have to do her job as assigned.  Her job as assigned is to verity that people are lawfully able to wed. And to provide them with a license.  She didn't want gay couples to have access to this right.  The courts denied her request and ordered her to comply with the federal law and issue the licenses according to the law.  She refused this court order.  That is what it means to be in contempt of court.   Therefore they arrested her.  She simply does not get to pick an choose who gets the right to marry because she isn't the law. 

Not really famliliar with how clerks come to their position in US, or whether or not they can be fired. Arresting someone for something like this instead of seeking other solution seems to me like dangerous precedent.



HoloDust said:
CosmicSex said:

Do you know why she was arrested?  She went to the courts (all of the way to the supreme court) and petitioned them to enforce a stay of execution so she would not have to do her job as assigned.  Her job as assigned is to verity that people are lawfully able to wed. And to provide them with a license.  She didn't want gay couples to have access to this right.  The courts denied her request and ordered her to comply with the federal law and issue the licenses according to the law.  She refused this court order.  That is what it means to be in contempt of court.   Therefore they arrested her.  She simply does not get to pick an choose who gets the right to marry because she isn't the law. 

Not really famliliar with how clerks come to their position in US, or whether or not they can be fired. Arresting someone for something like this instead of seeking other solution seems to me like dangerous precedent.

It's a unique situation, she's elected to her office, she's not hired in a traditional sense.  Before the Judge decided to have her remanded to Marshal custody, they discussed that she'd received funds for her legal battle (though, she hadn't publicly asked for funds), so the court reasonably assumed that fining her, wouldn't actually impact her.  It's not entirely a dangerous precedent, really, because it's been done in the past.  This, as I said, was unique, because it's an elected official, refusing the SCOTUS ruling, as well as an appeal ruling. 



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
tiff3110 said:
Religious people being their religious selfs, not really a surprise. She should totally get fired.

It's freakin Kentucky.

You don't think out of the millions of other Clerks in the country, there are no others who identify as religious, and hell even don't agree with the law but still follow it because its their job?

Maybe we shouldn't generalize one person misbehavior to every single person on the planet who has a religion?


You are right, fanatical/hypocrite religious people being theirselves.



Well, glad that she did obtain punishment for the crime. My question is that would this trigger a debate for Religious Liberty by any chance?



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