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Forums - Politics Discussion - Canadian Federal Election 2015 - Next Debate: September 17, 2015

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ReimTime said:
Ruler said:
ReimTime said:
Ruler said:

So how are putin and castro bad as leader? They are bad for the US and Nato but not for

Castro: Socialism or death = suppression of personal and political freedoms

Putin: Supresses free speech and social/public media

Might I ask why you would ask that question?

Why shouldnt I ? You make a comment like that which is groundless and basedd on pure Propaganda. 

 

Cuba is richer than all the other latin american countries, Evil socialism did its work i guess

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD/countries/1W-CU-RU-ZJ-B8?display=graph

Wat? There is a reason Stevie Wonder gets somebody to buy his paint, you know. You see to Stevie, all paint is the same because it all feels and smells the same. I think you'd gather better evidence about being a citizen if you moved to late-20th century Cuba yourself and took a whiff.

Castro did some great things! He reduced illiteracy, helped spread electricity, abolished legal discrimination, and pushed forward free healthcare and education. But he also squeezed the citizens political and economic freedoms. No elections, no private businesses, thousands of political opponents jailed, and an authoritarian position over housing and consumer goods shortages. There is a reason hundreds of thousands of Cubans left for the USA when Castro took over.

Cuba, under Castro, was one of the most corrupt states in the world. If you can claim that you'd like to live under Castro and that 40+ years of recorded history from multiple sources is a lie, is groundless, and is pure propaganda; then by all means see what your wall looks like when you're done painting. I for one would never want to live under Castro.

 

 

Who is stevie wonder? Never heard him.

Look at columbia recentley, a US ally since forever and they have found mass graves of 300+ people, most of them were killed by the goverment forces who were trained by CIA. Isnt it supposed to be a country that should have freedom because its a close US ally in the region?

So a lot of people are fleeing cuba to the US, but its far less than mexico. Again shouldnt mexico be a paradise since its an US ally? Yet cuba is richer than mexico despite all the sanctions and harrassement from the US. Why else you think obama removed the sanctions, its because the US knows their current strategy failed so they want to trade with them. 

The US is not a democracy,the clintons are going to rule that country since 3 generations, you have to belong that clique to get ellected now. Democracy is falling everywhere apart. I would much rather live in cuba than all the other latin american countries who most of them are close US allies.



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Just wish we had proportional representation system here in Canada. Sometimes, well a lot of times for me i want to vote for a certain candidate but not their party. Back in days i would have preferred Jack Layton as Prime Minister but i didn't think our local NDP candidate was the better choice of the main three. In a way it starts to feel like your vote is a lost cause unless you are voting for the two likely to win.

As for this election and many others, it comes down to how the economy is doing. If the recent rate cut is any indication, the economy is not doing good at all despite what they keep on repeating to make things look better than they are. Betting big on natural resource exports has not worked out well with the crashing of the oil prices and thus the decline of the dollar. The imports are getting more and more expensive and people are getting hit with it. None of the parties have really talked about what their platform for this is. Currently they are too busy poking fun at each other and other politician nonsense.

We'll see how it goes.



i like those french guys! canada needs to becoe a real republic and say fuck you queen, and i dont think anybody is better for this than the french



Are there term limits for Prime Ministers in Canada?



Johnw1104 said:
Are there term limits for Prime Ministers in Canada?


No. A Prime Minister can hold office as long as his/her party continues to form government and they remain leader of said political party. So 2015 would be Harper's 9th year in power.



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Just remember to vote Canadians!

I'm so sick of hearing people around me complaining about how bad our government is running yet they never voted in their lives.



Leadified said:
Johnw1104 said:
Are there term limits for Prime Ministers in Canada?


No. A Prime Minister can hold office as long as his/her party continues to form government and they remain leader of said political party. So 2015 would be Harper's 9th year in power.


Ty

I'm guessing Harper will be sticking around.



Johnw1104 said:
Leadified said:


No. A Prime Minister can hold office as long as his/her party continues to form government and they remain leader of said political party. So 2015 would be Harper's 9th year in power.


Ty

I'm guessing Harper will be sticking around.


I'm not sure. I feel that Harper has gained too much of a reputation (espeically in the previous two election) as the best of the worst. Although I do not like his government, I can't say that sentiment is wrong. However, considering that the current government is unpopular and people want change, I think that is quite an advantage for the opposition parties.

I do think that overall the Conservatives have a homefield advantage but as seen in the Alberta Provincial Election (and to a lesser extent the Ontario Provincial Election), things can change fast. All in all, it's everyone's game.



The Maclean's debate ended earlier today so I'll post some thoughts:

Overall I have to say the Elizabeth May without a doubt was the winner here. She came off as very strong, asked all the right questions, knew what she was talking about and had a pretty clear stance. I also think that this debate really will help the Green Party shake off the image of being a one issue party. I honestly forgot May was going to be at the debate which is regrettable because she really came out swinging.

Muclair I would put in a solid second. He started off slow but really got going as the debate went on. Similar to May he came off as very strong, asked the right questions and he knew what he was talking about. His presentation was good in the sense that it was calm and collected but he also appeared a bit too cold at times. Overall a solid performance and I think he has proved that the NDP are a serious contender.

Credit where credit is due, Harper did okay. He kept it together which is important considering the sharp criticism form the other three. In terms of actual policy however I don't really think a lot was said. Nothing particularly awful but nothing to write home about either.

On the bottom I have to put Trudeau. He gets points for being passionate and honestly I can't blame him for getting frustrated at Harper for all the attack ads aimed against him. But I think his greatest weakness was that he talked too much but said little of value. I thought he struggled against Harper and Muclair's counterpoints and the whole Clarity Act thing felt rather desperate.

However this is just the beginning! We have three more debates to go in the upcoming months. Hopefully we'll get some opinion polls soon and see if the debate had any significant impact.



ReimTime said:

Right so I'll try to be a little more intelligent.

Harper: Only way I could vote for this man is if Putin and Castro led the other parties. If I could summarize my dislike for Harper and put it into a paper I would call it Bill C-45; because of how he and the Tories buried questionable legislation within it, such as removing the protection and/or Federal oversight from 99.9% of our rivers (and 99.7% of our lakes). If nobody remembers this bill, it was the cause of the whole "Idle No More" movement. Another example would be the replacement of Canada's Environmental Assessment Act within Bill C-38 (the "Jobs, Growth, and Long-Term Prosperity Act"). Canada's laws on such matters are terrible enough as it is (did you know that Nestle gets charged $2.25 for every one million litres of water they extract from the ground in BC? You know, the water they profit off of?), so we don't need a PM who seems to think that selling off our land and natural resources is a good idea. I dislike how he treats Canadian Scientists, I dislike the controversy that surrounds him (robocalls, senate spending, corporate tax cuts etc), I dislike his disdain for our environment and natural beauty, and I especially dislike how he spends so much time and money on childish attack ads against the opposition. He's slimy and he's been in power for much too long already. I want him out.

Mulcair: Many would think that he is the next leader (coming off Layton's success and the Alberta elected NDP gov't) but I am not so sure. I'm looking forward to seeing what he's all about in the election debates that will be coming up. So far, I'm not too impressed. Perhaps it's because Layton was such a different personality whom I quite liked as a politician, but the way Mulcair seems to point fingers at Harper more than pushing his own platform kind of grinds my gears. However I like the NDP stance on Environmental matters and economic policy, so the NDP party very well may get my vote.

Trudeau: I think he is too young to be PM. No, I was not swayed by Harper's propaganda. I believe that Trudeau is more of a people's rockstar than a responsible politician; famous because of his name and not because of his policies. He will fight over the young-person's vote with the NDP and he may get it but a future with him running the country will probably be a little uncertain. I stand right in the middle of the political spectrum in my beliefs, so you might call me a Liberal; but I am not sure how well Trudeau would represent those beliefs. I am stuck between voting for him and Mulcair.

So who does my vote go to? Brad Wall, the premier of my home province and the best politicial representative that I have seen in this day and age. I could talk about him but they may be going off topic a little. #WallForPM lol.


You think we worship Brad Wall in Saskatchewan,he cares though :P ps same prov here but Im moving back to la belle province :P