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TheGoldenBoy said:

I'll explain it for him. Before the timeskip IchiRuki had a pretty good chance of happening. However, after seeing everything that has happened since then, I'm convinced—and happy—that Ichihime has a greater chance of happening. Kubo keeps on bring up the fact that Orihime has feelings for Ichigo (i.e. Orihime vision when delivering bread, her feeling pain (crying) at Ichigo's struggles even when she lost her memory because of Tsukishima, the fact that Yoruichi, Chad and Urahara made Ichigo comment on Orihime's new dress, etc.). If Kubo wanted to go the IchiRuki route he could have easily written out Orihime's feelings after the timeskip but he didn't. If anything it's hinted at even more now. There's also the fact that Ichigo has spent much more time with Orihime than Rukia after the timeskip.

I don't see how anything you said supports IchiHime. Sure, it supports Orihime liking Ichigo, which everybody knows at this point, but it does nothing on Ichigo's end. He was and still is oblivious of Orihime's feelings for him.

Also, if anything, the timeskip proved even more that IchiRuki has a better chance than IchiHime. Orihime had 2 years to get close to Ichigo, but it's obvious from the FullBring arc that she didn't. She was still getting all crazy when it came to Ichigo and he was still oblivious. She was still calling him Kurosaki-kun, and he was still calling her Inoue.



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MohammadBadir said:
TheGoldenBoy said:

I'll explain it for him. Before the timeskip IchiRuki had a pretty good chance of happening. However, after seeing everything that has happened since then, I'm convinced—and happy—that Ichihime has a greater chance of happening. Kubo keeps on bring up the fact that Orihime has feelings for Ichigo (i.e. Orihime vision when delivering bread, her feeling pain (crying) at Ichigo's struggles even when she lost her memory because of Tsukishima, the fact that Yoruichi, Chad and Urahara made Ichigo comment on Orihime's new dress, etc.). If Kubo wanted to go the IchiRuki route he could have easily written out Orihime's feelings after the timeskip but he didn't. If anything it's hinted at even more now. There's also the fact that Ichigo has spent much more time with Orihime than Rukia after the timeskip.

I don't see how anything you said supports IchiHime. Sure, it supports Orihime liking Ichigo, which everybody knows at this point, but it does nothing on Ichigo's end. He was and still is oblivious of Orihime's feelings for him.

Also, if anything, the timeskip proved even more that IchiRuki has a better chance than IchiHime. Orihime had 2 years to get close to Ichigo, but it's obvious from the FullBring arc that she didn't. She was still getting all crazy when it came to Ichigo and he was still oblivious. She was still calling him Kurosaki-kun, and he was still calling her Inoue.

Orihime's feelings for Ichigo are the only thing that are canon, everything else is just speculation. Ichigo, at this point, has barely shown any interest in the opposite sex expect when he's being teased by Matsumoto and Yoruichi. I personally don't mind if IchiRuki happens, I just don't think it will though. Like I said, Kubo could have easily written out Orihime's feelings for Ichigo during the timeskip, but he didn't. In fact, he brings it up even more now. I just don't see the purpose of repeatedly bring them up if they aren't going to amount to anything. It's kind of like how Hinata's feelings were always in the background and Naruto was oblivious to them, but they ended up together.

There's also the fact we don't really know where Ichigo is going to end up by the end of the series. If he's required to live out the rest of his life in Soul Society because he's too dangerous to be among normal humans then IchiRuki obivously has a better chance. However, if he can continue to live with his family and friends in the Human World, I don't see how Rukia and him could honestly have a relationship. He'll soon be going to college and Rukia is the Vice-Captain of the Thirteenth Division. They'll both have huge responsibilties that will make a "long-distance" relationship hard to manage.



TheGoldenBoy said:

Orihime's feelings for Ichigo are the only thing that are canon, everything else is just speculation. Ichigo, at this point, has barely shown any interest in the opposite sex expect when he's being teased by Matsumoto and Yoruichi. I personally don't mind if IchiRuki happens, I just don't think it will though. Like I said, Kubo could have easily written out Orihime's feelings for Ichigo during the timeskip, but he didn't. In fact, he brings it up even more now. I just don't see the purpose of repeatedly bring them up if they aren't going to amount to anything. It's kind of like how Hinata's feelings were always in the background and Naruto was oblivious to them, but they ended up together.

There's also the fact we don't really know where Ichigo is going to end up by the end of the series. If he's required to live out the rest of his life in Soul Society because he's too dangerous to be among normal humans then IchiRuki obivously has a better chance. However, if he can continue to live with his family and friends in the Human World, I don't see how Rukia and him could honestly have a relationship. He'll soon be going to college and Rukia is the Vice-Captain of the Thirteenth Division. They'll both have huge responsibilties that will make a "long-distance" relationship hard to manage.

It's been made quite obvious that he's most likely going to stay at SS. Though be honest with me, We all expected it at some point, lol. Though I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kubo made him into like, the soul king's successor or something like that.

Ichigo and Rukia might have never went all lovey dovey, but there were plenty of emotional, often mutual moments shared between the two, and that's why I think they have a bigger chance of getting together than Ichigo and Orihime, or Renji and Rukia for that matter. That, and a ton of other things like Kubo's enthusiasm and involvement in Fade to Black, and said that he wanted the viewers to focus on the relationship between Ichigo and Rukia in that film, which was hard to miss, lol.



MohammadBadir said:
TheGoldenBoy said:

Orihime's feelings for Ichigo are the only thing that are canon, everything else is just speculation. Ichigo, at this point, has barely shown any interest in the opposite sex expect when he's being teased by Matsumoto and Yoruichi. I personally don't mind if IchiRuki happens, I just don't think it will though. Like I said, Kubo could have easily written out Orihime's feelings for Ichigo during the timeskip, but he didn't. In fact, he brings it up even more now. I just don't see the purpose of repeatedly bring them up if they aren't going to amount to anything. It's kind of like how Hinata's feelings were always in the background and Naruto was oblivious to them, but they ended up together.

There's also the fact we don't really know where Ichigo is going to end up by the end of the series. If he's required to live out the rest of his life in Soul Society because he's too dangerous to be among normal humans then IchiRuki obivously has a better chance. However, if he can continue to live with his family and friends in the Human World, I don't see how Rukia and him could honestly have a relationship. He'll soon be going to college and Rukia is the Vice-Captain of the Thirteenth Division. They'll both have huge responsibilties that will make a "long-distance" relationship hard to manage.

It's been made quite obvious that he's most likely going to stay at SS. Though be honest with me, We all expected it at some point, lol. Though I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kubo made him into like, the soul king's successor or something like that.

Ichigo and Rukia might have never went all lovey dovey, but there were plenty of emotional, often mutual moments shared between the two, and that's why I think they have a bigger chance of getting together than Ichigo and Orihime, or Renji and Rukia for that matter. That, and a ton of other things like Kubo's enthusiasm and involvement in Fade to Black, and said that he wanted the viewers to focus on the relationship between Ichigo and Rukia in that film, which was hard to miss, lol.

It's definitely possible. I just don't understand the reasons for highlighting Orihime's feelings if he was just going to go the IchiRuki path. It makes no sense and feels inefficient in a way. But it is obvious that it'll be probably be one or the other he ends up with and while it does look like he might end up having to stay in Soul Society, I still find it hard to believe that Urahara won't find away for Ichigo to stay with his family. There's also the fact that I can't see Ichigo leaving his sisters.

Or maybe Kubo is just trolling all of us and Ichigo ends up with no one.



TheGoldenBoy said:

It's definitely possible. I just don't understand the reasons for highlighting Orihime's feelings if he was just going to go the IchiRuki path. It makes no sense and feels inefficient in a way. But it is obvious that it'll be probably be one or the other he ends up with and while it does look like he might end up having to stay in Soul Society, I still find it hard to believe that Urahara won't find away for Ichigo to stay with his family. There's also the fact that I can't see Ichigo leaving his sisters.

Or maybe Kubo is just trolling all of us and Ichigo ends up with no one.

I for one thing it's a great opportunity to finally let Orihime get some major character development for once. I really disliked how Orihime trained and all that during the Arrancar arc only to fall apart when the idea of Ichigo rescuing her was brought up. That, and the Lust arc, where she screamed to a basically dead Ichigo to save her, even in his state, made it obvious to me that Orihime's obsession with Ichigo was a major flaw in her character. Despite her efforts in the Fullbring arc, she was still the same old Orihime from the beginning of the Arrancar arc. I thought she finally got some development and even started to entertain IchiHime as a likely possibility during the beginning of the FullBring arc, specifically when she defended Ichigo and gave her speech about how she'd protect him and that she's done being weak and all that. Though I took that back when she and Chad defended Tsukishima. One might say that it's not her fault, and that Tsukishima's memory alterations shouldn't be counted as evidence, but Byakuya's fight with Tsukishima proved otherwise. Byakuya's mind was altered, just like Orihime's, but the fact that he held the fact that Tsukishima was an enemy of Ichigo's front and foremost, even though he remembered him as an important ally, made it clear to me that Orihime (and surprisingly, Chad) weren't so true to Ichigo as I had previously thought. I'm one of the few people who LOVE the Fullbring arc, but this moment really aggravated me, though it was more due to Chad's confrontation with Ichigo, rather than Orihime's. She developed, sure, but it was far less than I had originally thought and hoped. At least it's not Lust arc level though.

The reason I said it's a good opportunity for some good, legitimate major character development was because I think that if Kubo finally makes her realize that her obsession for Ichigo is always bringing her down, and making her weak, and that she'd be better off without it, then she'd become a stronger person. Of course, this could lead to a more legitimate IchiHime, but with how Bleach's ending seeming (unfortunately) close, I don't see how there'd be enough time to write out a good recovery. However, if a development like this does occur, I'd hope that Orihime would finally take notice of a man who does actively care for her more that her other friends (unlike Ichigo), and you probably know who I'm talking about. That'd be if he doesn't end up dying too, lol.

But yeah, It's right in Kubo's alley to do all this build up and then just leave Ichigo single, or like I said before, make him Soul King 2 (Which, in a way, makes sense, because he's part every type of soul, lol. He's part Shinigami, part Hollow, part Quincy, and thus, part human).



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MohammadBadir said:
TheGoldenBoy said:

It's definitely possible. I just don't understand the reasons for highlighting Orihime's feelings if he was just going to go the IchiRuki path. It makes no sense and feels inefficient in a way. But it is obvious that it'll be probably be one or the other he ends up with and while it does look like he might end up having to stay in Soul Society, I still find it hard to believe that Urahara won't find away for Ichigo to stay with his family. There's also the fact that I can't see Ichigo leaving his sisters.

Or maybe Kubo is just trolling all of us and Ichigo ends up with no one.

I for one thing it's a great opportunity to finally let Orihime get some major character development for once. I really disliked how Orihime trained and all that during the Arrancar arc only to fall apart when the idea of Ichigo rescuing her was brought up. That, and the Lust arc, where she screamed to a basically dead Ichigo to save her, even in his state, made it obvious to me that Orihime's obsession with Ichigo was a major flaw in her character. Despite her efforts in the Fullbring arc, she was still the same old Orihime from the beginning of the Arrancar arc. I thought she finally got some development and even started to entertain IchiHime as a likely possibility during the beginning of the FullBring arc, specifically when she defended Ichigo and gave her speech about how she'd protect him and that she's done being weak and all that. Though I took that back when she and Chad defended Tsukishima. One might say that it's not her fault, and that Tsukishima's memory alterations shouldn't be counted as evidence, but Byakuya's fight with Tsukishima proved otherwise. Byakuya's mind was altered, just like Orihime's, but the fact that he held the fact that Tsukishima was an enemy of Ichigo's front and foremost, even though he remembered him as an important ally, made it clear to me that Orihime (and surprisingly, Chad) weren't so true to Ichigo as I had previously thought. I'm one of the few people who LOVE the Fullbring arc, but this moment really aggravated me, though it was more due to Chad's confrontation with Ichigo, rather than Orihime's. She developed, sure, but it was far less than I had originally thought and hoped. At least it's not Lust arc level though.

The reason I said it's a good opportunity for some good, legitimate major character development was because I think that if Kubo finally makes her realize that her obsession for Ichigo is always bringing her down, and making her weak, and that she'd be better off without it, then she'd become a stronger person. Of course, this could lead to a more legitimate IchiHime, but with how Bleach's ending seeming (unfortunately) close, I don't see how there'd be enough time to write out a good recovery. However, if a development like this does occur, I'd hope that Orihime would finally take notice of a man who does actively care for her more that her other friends (unlike Ichigo), and you probably know who I'm talking about. That'd be if he doesn't end up dying too, lol.

But yeah, It's right in Kubo's alley to do all this build up and then just leave Ichigo single, or like I said before, make him Soul King 2 (Which, in a way, makes sense, because he's part every type of soul, lol. He's part Shinigami, part Hollow, part Quincy, and thus, part human).

I wouldn't really say comparing Byukuya to Chad or Orihime is fair in that instance though. You're comparing a 100+ year old, battle-hardened Captain of Soul Society to two 17 year olds. Other than Tatsuki, Chad has known Ichigo the longest and him losing his memory and being manipulated in no way means his bond to Ichigo can be weak. The same can be said for Orihime. If I remember correctly, even Karin and Yuzu turned on Ichigo and they're his sisters. They mean everything to him. Also, one could argue that Orihime feeling pain at Ichigo's suffering while having her memory tampered says a lot about her feelings for him. None of Ichigo's other friends showed anything like that.

But that's enough (lol), we'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here.



TheGoldenBoy said:

I wouldn't really say comparing Byukuya to Chad or Orihime is fair in that instance though. You're comparing a 100+ year old, battle-hardened Captain of Soul Society to two 17 year olds. Other than Tatsuki, Chad has known Ichigo the longest and him losing his memory and being manipulated in no way means his bond to Ichigo can be weak. The same can be said for Orihime. If I remember correctly, even Karin and Yuzu turned on Ichigo and they're his sisters. They mean everything to him. Also, one could argue that Orihime feeling pain at Ichigo's suffering while having her memory tampered says a lot about her feelings for him. None of Ichigo's other friends showed anything like that.

But that's enough (lol), we'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here.

Lol, well I guess we can't continue.



TheGoldenBoy said:

It's kind of like how Hinata's feelings were always in the background and Naruto was oblivious to them, but they ended up together.

Though that's a good counterpoint, one would like to hope Kubo doesn't sink to Kishi's level. The romance in Nardo made Twilight look like a beautiful love story. The fact that the female lead ended up with someone who attempted to kill her 3+ times over the course of the manga...my god...

Regarding Ichi/Ruki vs. Ichi/Hime, I prefer Ichi/Hime myself, but I think Ichi/Ruki is the more likely pair. It's really hard to dispute their bond. Even if it's not necessarily romantic, it's easily the most powerful relationship in the series. I think the biggest hurdle for any other pair is just getting around Ichigo's number one bond being with another girl.

It's a bit odd for me, since I usually root for the canon ship, or prefer outgoing girls that dom the hero over the sweet girls that crush on hero-kun from afar, but I guess in this case Orihime just clicked with me more than Rukia did. Though it's also true that lately I've realized that my Nisekoi OTP has a lot in common with Ichi/Ruki, so maybe I'm just growing more sympathetic. XD

Though that's assuming any pair happens of course. If I was a betting man, I'd say it'll end with Ichigo being the Soul King somehow. But who the heck knows what's happening with the plot right now. Every chapter leaves me more confused. XD



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Super_Boom said:
TheGoldenBoy said:

It's kind of like how Hinata's feelings were always in the background and Naruto was oblivious to them, but they ended up together.

Though that's a good counterpoint, one would like to hope Kubo doesn't sink to Kishi's level. The romance in Nardo made Twilight look like a beautiful love story. The fact that the female lead ended up with someone who attempted to kill her 3+ times over the course of the manga...my god...

Regarding Ichi/Ruki vs. Ichi/Hime, I prefer Ichi/Hime myself, but I think Ichi/Ruki is the more likely pair. It's really hard to dispute their bond. Even if it's not necessarily romantic, it's easily the most powerful relationship in the series. I think the biggest hurdle for any other pair is just getting around Ichigo's number one bond being with another girl.

It's a bit odd for me, since I usually root for the canon ship, or prefer outgoing girls that dom the hero over the sweet girls that crush on hero-kun from afar, but I guess in this case Orihime just clicked with me more than Rukia did. Though it's also true that lately I've realized that my Nisekoi OTP has a lot in common with Ichi/Ruki, so maybe I'm just growing more sympathetic. XD

Though that's assuming any pair happens of course. If I was a betting man, I'd say it'll end with Ichigo being the Soul King somehow. But who the heck knows what's happening with the plot right now. Every chapter leaves me more confused. XD

Sadly your nisekoi OTP is cliched and the girl is a terrible character that deserves the nickname uran gave her and more...



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