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LuckyTrouble said:

The thing about that is that, especially after the Horii and the 3DS remakes thing that is still so up in the air, I'm just not entirely certain that the folks in charge of DQ games entirely understand what SE means when they use the words "considering" and "maybe". What they announce as fact in questionable scenarios like this could easily be them misinterpreting intentions from higher ups, and considering the SE press release indicated that it was still only under consideration, I feel inclined to believe the people making the business decisions. If they didn't want to confirm anything about the NX, nobody would have mentioned it. Not in the press release to Famitsu, and especially not at a live presentation. Hell, even saying the game could be coming for the NX confirms nothing about it except what was already reasonably assumed, you know, that it's a game console of some kind.

In the long run, especially with how third parties treat Nintendo, I'm maintaining the maybe is the most likely truth.


You do know SE have little say over DQ and that the franchise belongs solely to Horii? SE can't considered it as the entire control of the franchise is not under them it's under Horii they just have a contract to publish his games in Japan, this is why Nintendo has been publishing the games in the west. The higher ups in SE don't phase the DQ mob.

Look at the situation yourself why would they already consider a platform no one knows anything about and even already commit DQX to it, how can they commit DQX to it when they don't have a grasp of what to expect espcially when they have 3 versions of DQX to pick from to port over? SE never made a consideration for Wii U or 3DS in regards to DQX for Wii U and a KH game for 3DS. Under consideration is not something you say about something no one knows anything about (which is going to start from 0 users as well) in regards to a brand new flagship title.

The answer is simply they already know what to expect and have seen what a working NX can do, saying DQXI is coming for it tips people off as if NX is a dedicated handheld it would have BC and not need a new version which means NX is likely a console and it'd make sense as they'll need as many console versions as possible to gain back sales in Japan for the console version and sadly the other candidates X1 is dead on arrival and Wii U isn't UE4 friendly which leaves its successor as the only plausible platform for another platform. This is why the PR team would not be happy as it's not a hard dot to connect.



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Wyrdness said:


You do know SE have little say over DQ and that the franchise belongs solely to Horii? SE can't considered it as the entire control of the franchise is not under them it's under Horii they just have a contract to publish his games in Japan, this is why Nintendo has been publishing the games in the west. The higher ups in SE don't phase the DQ mob.

Look at the situation yourself why would they already consider a platform no one knows anything about and even already commit DQX to it, how can they commit DQX to it when they don't have a grasp of what to expect espcially when they have 3 versions of DQX to pick from to port over? SE never made a consideration for Wii U or 3DS in regards to DQX for Wii U and a KH game for 3DS. Under consideration is not something you say about something no one knows anything about in regards to a brand new flagship title.

The answer is simply they already know what to expect and have seen what a working NX can do, saying DQXI is coming for it tips people off as if NX is a dedicated handheld it would have BC and not need a new version which means NX is likely a console and they'll need as many console versions as possible to gain back sales in Japan for the console version and sadly the other candidates X1 is dead on arrival and Wii U is soon to be replaced by the looks of it which leaves its successor. This is why the PR team would not be happy as it's not a hard dot to connect.

I see that you have absolutely no understanding of the power of an exclusive publishing contract. SE can veto anything they don't think will be worth it. Anything. SE has way more say than you might think.

The rest of your post is just not worth responding to. No offense, but it's a lot of baseless assumptions that I'll get absolutely nowhere responding to.



 

twintail said:
so nx has no bc?


Nice catch!



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LuckyTrouble said:

I see that you have absolutely no understanding of the power of an exclusive publishing contract. SE can veto anything they don't think will be worth it. Anything. SE has way more say than you might think.

The rest of your post is just not worth responding to. No offense, but it's a lot of baseless assumptions that I'll get absolutely nowhere responding to.


I think you're the one with little understanding of a contract as depending on the contract the terms vary, they have a contract to publish his games on release but its his franchise, he probably has the option to take it to someone else if SE don't want to publish but then they would gift someone else a tonne of money doing so. The contract may even just be that they be the first choice as a publisher, I know as I deal with contracts often working in business and finance, believe me if the higher ups were in charge you wouldn't even see DQ on a Nintendo platform to begin with, you probably wouldn't even see a PS4 version at this point.

As for the rest of your post, that's the usual "I can't really argue against it " type of response. What I said is plausible as why mention NX at all in the presentation, the PR comes across as an attempt to cover up their slip up.



Wyrdness said:
LuckyTrouble said:

I see that you have absolutely no understanding of the power of an exclusive publishing contract. SE can veto anything they don't think will be worth it. Anything. SE has way more say than you might think.

The rest of your post is just not worth responding to. No offense, but it's a lot of baseless assumptions that I'll get absolutely nowhere responding to.


I think you're the one with little understanding of a contract as depending on the contract the terms vary, they have a contract to publish his games on release but its his franchise, he probably has the option to take it to someone else if SE don't want to publish but then they would gift someone else a tonne of money doing so. The contract may even just be that they be the first choice as a publisher, I know as I deal with contracts often working in business and finance, believe me if the higher ups were in charge you wouldn't even see DQ on a Nintendo platform to begin with, you probably wouldn't even see a PS4 version at this point.

As for the rest of your post, that's the usual "I can't really argue against it " type of response.

From what I'm reading, the contract with SE is exclusive for publishing DQ games. That doesn't mean if SE denies it, Horii can just go to someone else. He signed apparently a pretty lengthy contract that existed before Square and Enix merged together that has maintained that gives SE full, exclusive publishing rights in Japan. Considering a DQ game has never been published outside of Japan first, you can probably imagine that SE denying a DQ game would be a death sentence, and that ultimately implies that projects are brought to SE first to see if they'll approve them for publishing. In the end, even if SE doesn't necessairly own DQ, they sure hold enough power to make a difference.

And no, the rest of your post was just kind of dumb. Sorry, but I waste more than enough time responding to things I really have no interest in. I just decided to pass this go around.



 

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LuckyTrouble said:

From what I'm reading, the contract with SE is exclusive for publishing DQ games. That doesn't mean if SE denies it, Horii can just go to someone else. He signed apparently a pretty lengthy contract that existed before Square and Enix merged together that has maintained that gives SE full, exclusive publishing rights in Japan. Considering a DQ game has never been published outside of Japan first, you can probably imagine that SE denying a DQ game would be a death sentence, and that ultimately implies that projects are brought to SE first to see if they'll approve them for publishing. In the end, even if SE doesn't necessairly own DQ, they sure hold enough power to make a difference.

And no, the rest of your post was just kind of dumb. Sorry, but I waste more than enough time responding to things I really have no interest in. I just decided to pass this go around.


If he has the same lengthy contract from before then I'm right he can take it else where because the are DQ games that weren't published by Enix so he can go to someone else, giving him some added leverage.

Just admit it you have no counter argument, why would SE mention NX during live stream they weren't asked about the platform, they made a slip up simple as that, note how DQX and DQXI were announced at the same time for NX but the PR team only focused on XI in saying it's under consideration. I can go into more detail as to why this is all relevant if you want.



Wyrdness said:
LuckyTrouble said:

From what I'm reading, the contract with SE is exclusive for publishing DQ games. That doesn't mean if SE denies it, Horii can just go to someone else. He signed apparently a pretty lengthy contract that existed before Square and Enix merged together that has maintained that gives SE full, exclusive publishing rights in Japan. Considering a DQ game has never been published outside of Japan first, you can probably imagine that SE denying a DQ game would be a death sentence, and that ultimately implies that projects are brought to SE first to see if they'll approve them for publishing. In the end, even if SE doesn't necessairly own DQ, they sure hold enough power to make a difference.

And no, the rest of your post was just kind of dumb. Sorry, but I waste more than enough time responding to things I really have no interest in. I just decided to pass this go around.


If he has the same lengthy contract from before then I'm right he can take it else where because the are DQ games that weren't published by Enix so he can go to someone else, giving him some added leverage.

Just admit it you have no counter argument, why would SE mention NX during live stream they weren't asked about the platform, they made a slip up simple as that.

Wow you have no idea how a contract works. Okay. I'm done here.

And seriously, I just don't want to respond to you. Get over yourself. As an individual, it's my decision to decide when something isn't worth my time. Put together something I actually even care to read the entirety of, and I'll be certain to give you a good, well reasoned response in turn.



 

LuckyTrouble said:

Wow you have no idea how a contract works. Okay. I'm done here.

And seriously, I just don't want to respond to you. Get over yourself. As an individual, it's my decision to decide when something isn't worth my time. Put together something I actually even care to read the entirety of, and I'll be certain to give you a good, well reasoned response in turn.


You're the one who doesn't because a contract varies it's not the same for everyone, you're saying he can be vetoed then bring up a contract with Enix which during a long period quite a few DQ games were released and publish by other companies in Japan as well. So that defeats your own argument congratulations you just argued against yourself and proved me right in that terms can allow him to do so. An exclusive contract can mean many things, for example it can just mean that they're the only ones to publish it but have no input on his affairs in regard to the franchise, at which point any interference can be considered a breach, believe me I've seen all types of contracts from the days of when I was working in media.

You didn't put together well reasoned responses you just got frustrated when a counter point was put forward and now attempting the usual moral high ground.



Interesting! Now I wonder what the NX actually is..



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Fix your OP, Tbone, it is not in development for NX. The platform is only "under consideration". At best it "could" be released in 2017 when everyone has either PS4 or 3DS version.