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Neodegenerate on 15 July 2015
Faelco said:
Cloudman said:
Faelco said:


I responded in a previous comment :

 

Awakening compared to Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn? 

 

Crappy story (if you call that a story), crappy characters, almost all maps are wide open fields with nothing on it, no balancing in the difficulty, only "Kill all enemies" or "Kill the boss" objectives, no gold, items or XP management (unlimited with side battles), and no strategy involved in the entire game (pair up your two main characters, win the battle, and at the end you don't even have to pair them up, one character is enough). And I surely missed a few points. 

 

Nope, it's not the same franchise to me, it's more like the kid friendly mobile spin off.

 

Bigger audience doesn't mean better game, I think we all know it. Other games like Dark Souls could get better sales by putting more boobs and waifus, lighter colors, and by making the game easy and kid-friendly (less scary monsters, less violence, no need to try a fight several times...). Doesn't mean it would still be a Dark Souls game, and I don't think it would be great for the franchise. 

That's fair if you don't believe is that good in your opinion, but that doesn't change that Awakening saved the series, being the most sold game in the series to date. I think that speaks pretty well for how the game is, aside from the story. Even the FE team recognized that the story was crap.

And I don't understand how making the game more accessible to more players is a bad thing if you can still enjoy the game in its intended form. You can still play a FE game in its standard form. For others who are not used to it, or new,  I don't see why having an easier mode is a bad thing. It's not hurting either side, and just opens the game for more people to play. It doesn't take anyway away from it, and everyone can enjoy it.

Also, I don't see where boobs or wives are an issue in Awakening.

 

That's the point, I wasn't talking about easy mode. I played the game in classic mode and lunatic difficulty, and all my points still apply. I only had fun in the 4 first chapters. Easy or Lunatic, an empty map is an empty map. Awakening saved the Fire Emblem IP, but not the games IMO (it was my point with my comparison with Dark Souls). 

 

Waifus battles were a huge internet subject about Awakening (Lucina, Tharja, Severa, Sumia with Chrom or not?....), and it's worse for Fates even if the game isn't out yet. Boobs weren't a subject in Awakening (only in DLC, and it was already pitiful at best), it's a subject in Fates. But my point here is : ok, sex sells, but would you be OK with sex being put in every game? In the next Mario game, would you like sex/nude scenes with Mario and Peach, or Waifu simulation with Peach and Daisy? (with a new and more sexy art style, of course) 


Your example is poor due to demographic.

 

Teens and young adults play TRPGs.  Teens and young adults like sex.  Therefore, sex in the games.  Mario is marketed towards kids.

 

THINK OF TEH CHILDEREN!!!  (or something)



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IkePoR on 15 July 2015
Anfebious said:

I mentioned Quina and no one bats an eye. I really got aroused by her, specially with that long tounge she had.

Maybe we are using the wrong term here. It's not "sexualized",it's "hot chick". And RPG's are full of those. You need a hot chick to be a decent RPG.

FF VII for example has 3 very hot chicks. The "hot as fuck" Tifa and the "hot but cute" Aerith.  You also have the "almost hot and a little bit too young" Yuffie.

 

The Fire Emblem series has always had "hot chicks".  The difference is now their tits are popping out of their completely-ill-suited-for-combat outfits.



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Wyrdness on 15 July 2015

Who gives a f**k both male and female characters are depicted so what, welcome to the real world where sex is just another thing and people just get on with their lives.



Valdath on 15 July 2015
IkePoR said:
Valdath said:

I don't like it.

I don't get why people here get so defensive everytime there's critcism about a Nintendo game.


This just makes it look like another generic skimpy JRPG#32235.

Fire Emblem had a great art style up until Awakening, now fates just went full "compile hearts/senran kagura" crap (imo).


Altough i don't blame them honestly, Awakening was going to be the last game in a franchise that was about to die, and Awakening turned it into very important 3DS franchise now.

Still, the price was too high, now instead of getting lords fighting for their people and empire, we get big titties and softcore porn, it's like they sold their dignity just to stay afloat.


However this is just an opinion, if you just enjoy this type of artstyle, well, better for you.


I just wish this moe artstyle could die, there's so few JRPGs nowadays that don't look like K-ON and stuff like that.


I just can't immerse myself in a game that have this kind of characters, i wan't to play as a knight with full plate armor, not as a 15 year old with double D cups almost nude fighting other 15 year olds with D cups.

I was going to make a long post saying exactly what you have here, but you did it for me :p 

This perfectly nails exactly how I feel about Awakening/Fates.  I'm the biggest FE fan here and probably in the world but I loathe anime and it's been a irritating spectical having to deal with the merger of these two things.  I too understand that the series needed to adapt to the mass market in order to stay afloat but yes, selling your dignity is exactly what's happened here.  It perfectly describes, I think, what OP's issue with the game(s) is.

It's really hard to have a memorable cast when everyone is an archtype from a Shonen Jump anime.

Being a JRPG fan and not liking anime is suffering, kinda like loving shooters but hating Battlefield/Call of Duty, when you really start looking there aren't actually many shooters to play if you don't like those 2 franchises.

 

I don't even hate anime if it's like old school Shin Megami Tensei, even SMT:IV was okay for me.

 

It's sad, it makes it look like the japanese video game industry simply lacks talent in the art department, almost every game looks the same.

Why do you think there's so many wacky hair colors in these games? it's literally the only way they have to differentiate characters.

 

Well, that and tits size.

So basically the characters for all this JRPGs are "pink small tits girl, red big tits girl, tall and mean white hair girl" etc.



ExplodingBlock on 15 July 2015
WolfpackN64 said:
If they do the same thing for male characters, I don't see a problem.


Agreed. Unless your asexual I really don't see why you wouldn't enjoy this



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Cheebee on 15 July 2015

So... do they do this with male characters too?



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Anfebious on 15 July 2015
IkePoR said:

The Fire Emblem series has always had "hot chicks".  The difference is now their tits are popping out of their completely-ill-suited-for-combat outfits.


And? It's ill-suited-for-combat but that's not uncommon in RPG's. Tifa spent the whole game using shorts and that tight shirt. And with those she was able to stand a big bang attack from sephiroth.

Another example, Tales of Vesperia. I can use an armor made out of bath bubbles and have more defense than a made-out-of-steel armor.

It doesn't matter,  it's meant to be ridiculous.

And just to get this out of the way, I didn't like Fire Emblem Awakening, but not because of the "oversexualized" characters or "ill-suited-for-combat" armors. I didn't like it because the my unit character is completely broken. See, my complaint is about the gameplay elements, while all you guys do is complain about tits.



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ExplodingBlock on 15 July 2015
Valdath said:

So basically the characters for all this JRPGs are "pink small tits girl, red big tits girl, tall and mean white hair girl" etc.

I'm sure you would like Xenoblade if you already haven't played, great cast of characters



Mike321 on 15 July 2015

 Well this is the formula that saved fire emble so that's not going to change anytime soon, but I see why some hardcore FE fans are upset. My only problem with awakening is how op pair units are, but since the enemy can pair as well in fates that won't be an issues. And for those who don't know you can undress the amiibos in fates, so you can argue this game features the best amiibo function of all.

 



                                                                                     

Valdath on 15 July 2015
ExplodingBlock said:
Valdath said:

So basically the characters for all this JRPGs are "pink small tits girl, red big tits girl, tall and mean white hair girl" etc.

I'm sure you would like Xenoblade if you already haven't played, great cast of characters


I was literally going to start playing this in a few weeks lol, it's been in my backlog for so long.