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outlawauron said:
It's only recent, but Square is certainly hoping on the PS4 train.


Its not recent though, companies always go where the money is. Just look at Activision. Don't know why this may be surprising to anyone. (Not referring to you)



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Alkibiádēs said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Well they want the Japan market, Xbox has no presence at all on Japan, they dont see it as incredibly profitable to release on XOne and see an advantage on working marketting deals and such with Sony to be console exclusive. makes sense.

Yeah, it makes sense to ignore the 18 million people in Japan owning a 3DS.

3DS games are a lot cheaper to develop as well. There's simply no way a PS4 mainline Dragon Quest game will make the same amount of money as a 3DS mainline Dragon Quest game.

Square Enix hopes to make the Dragon Quest series more successful overseas and that's why the PS4 makes a lot of sense. Sure Dragon Quest XI would sell a lot more on the 3DS than on the PS4 in Japan but worldwide I'm not so sure the 3DS has the edge.

And yes 3DS games cost less than PS4 games to make but PS4 games can also be sold at nearly twice the price and they can be ported for cheap on handheld devices in a couple of generations. It would require a remake if they make it on the 3DS now.



DakonBlackblade said:
Alkibiádēs said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Yeah, it makes sense to ignore the 18 million people in Japan owning a 3DS.

3DS games are a lot cheaper to develop as well. There's simply no way a PS4 mainline Dragon Quest game will make the same amount of money as a 3DS mainline Dragon Quest game.


Console games get more exposition than handheld ones  by default, number of unitis a game sold does not tell the whole story, you can increase the value of your company a lot more by releasing an awesome DQ 11 on a home console and selling half of what you would on the 3DS. It also would bring a lot of prestige back to Squenix wich would strengthen them on western markets and atract more investments, maybe facilitate some publishing deals with other studios. Lots of ppl dont even know a DQ IX (and X as well for an entirely different reason, the same one ppl neglect FF XIV, its an MMO) existed even tough its a massive sucess on the 3DS, press and general public opinion treat handhelds and home consoles very differently.

Companies don't make decisions based on that and if they do they're stupid and deserve to be bankrupt. Game developers should never be allowed to make big corporate decisions. Looking at you Miyamoto...

Ignoring a userbase of 18 million just because "it's a handheld" isn't a good explanation or decision. Fire Emblem: Awakening brought a lot of prestige back to the franchise and saved it from death.

Ye sure man, game companies are not interested in theyre value at all, CD Projekts Red decision to go multiplataform by the cost of reducing graphical quality that it would otherwise have on PC wasnt because itd increase theyre exposition 10 fold and result in there stock values to shoot trough the roof during the whole period of the Witchers 3 development and even more after the release at all. DQ IX was exclusive to 3DS it sold a lot Im sure Square is happy with the return it gave them, but they clearly consider internaly that it didnt have the effect they expected it to have so they want to go back to home consoles, and theyre doing so full blown now with other titles as well. Will it work ? Maybe, but thats the logic behid the decision Square made.

The logic behind the decision of Square is most likely truck loads of cash by Sony. Dragon Quest IX was on the DS, not the 3DS btw.

Your example of TW3 makes no sense. You're saying console has more prestige over handhelds because the graphics are better and games are bigger and now you say the opposite with TW3? You really can't see the huge contradiction in your logic? CD Projekts Red went multiplatform to increase their userbase. By making Dragon Quest a PS4 exclusive Square would be doing the TOTAL opposite of that.

Yo-kai Watch is all the hype in Japan and gets tons of media exposure there, this again contradicts your logic. Dragon Quest isn't popular in the West, so don't even bother bringing that up.



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Boutros said:
Alkibiádēs said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Well they want the Japan market, Xbox has no presence at all on Japan, they dont see it as incredibly profitable to release on XOne and see an advantage on working marketting deals and such with Sony to be console exclusive. makes sense.

Yeah, it makes sense to ignore the 18 million people in Japan owning a 3DS.

3DS games are a lot cheaper to develop as well. There's simply no way a PS4 mainline Dragon Quest game will make the same amount of money as a 3DS mainline Dragon Quest game.

Square Enix hopes to make the Dragon Quest series more successful overseas and that's why the PS4 makes a lot of sense. Sure Dragon Quest XI would sell a lot more on the 3DS than on the PS4 in Japan but worldwide I'm not so sure the 3DS has the edge.

And yes 3DS games cost less than PS4 games to make but PS4 games can also be sold at nearly twice the price and they can be ported for cheap on handheld devices in a couple of generations. It would require a remake if they make it on the 3DS now.

Dragon Quest sales in the West have always been pretty terrible, why would that change all of a sudden after such a long time?



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:

Dragon Quest sales in the West have always been pretty terrible, why would that change all of a sudden after such a long time?

B.E.L.I.E.V.E.

...in millions of dollars spent on marketing.



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Alkibiádēs said:
Boutros said:
Alkibiádēs said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Well they want the Japan market, Xbox has no presence at all on Japan, they dont see it as incredibly profitable to release on XOne and see an advantage on working marketting deals and such with Sony to be console exclusive. makes sense.

Yeah, it makes sense to ignore the 18 million people in Japan owning a 3DS.

3DS games are a lot cheaper to develop as well. There's simply no way a PS4 mainline Dragon Quest game will make the same amount of money as a 3DS mainline Dragon Quest game.

Square Enix hopes to make the Dragon Quest series more successful overseas and that's why the PS4 makes a lot of sense. Sure Dragon Quest XI would sell a lot more on the 3DS than on the PS4 in Japan but worldwide I'm not so sure the 3DS has the edge.

And yes 3DS games cost less than PS4 games to make but PS4 games can also be sold at nearly twice the price and they can be ported for cheap on handheld devices in a couple of generations. It would require a remake if they make it on the 3DS now.

Dragon Quest sales in the West have always been pretty terrible, why would that change all of a sudden after such a long time?

It won't. Its just wishful thinking, and after the DQ games bomb in the west we'll most likely see them go back to next to nothing for DQ  games.



Alkibiádēs said:
Boutros said:
Alkibiádēs said:
DakonBlackblade said:
Well they want the Japan market, Xbox has no presence at all on Japan, they dont see it as incredibly profitable to release on XOne and see an advantage on working marketting deals and such with Sony to be console exclusive. makes sense.

Yeah, it makes sense to ignore the 18 million people in Japan owning a 3DS.

3DS games are a lot cheaper to develop as well. There's simply no way a PS4 mainline Dragon Quest game will make the same amount of money as a 3DS mainline Dragon Quest game.

Square Enix hopes to make the Dragon Quest series more successful overseas and that's why the PS4 makes a lot of sense. Sure Dragon Quest XI would sell a lot more on the 3DS than on the PS4 in Japan but worldwide I'm not so sure the 3DS has the edge.

And yes 3DS games cost less than PS4 games to make but PS4 games can also be sold at nearly twice the price and they can be ported for cheap on handheld devices in a couple of generations. It would require a remake if they make it on the 3DS now.

Dragon Quest sales in the West have always been pretty terrible, why would that change all of a sudden after such a long time?

Because that's what Square Enix hopes to change? They mentionned that the team working on Dragon Quest wants the franchise to become a success in the West and they have "ideas" to make it happen. They didn't have that motivation before. That's what's changed.

http://www.gamekult.com/actu/les-projets-de-yosuke-matsuda-pdg-de-square-enix-A144311.html

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999068

And the PS4 is the best medium to make it happen right now. If they really only wanted to satisfy the core DQ fanbases then they'd make it for the 3DS and that would be enough but that's not all they want.



Fusioncode said:

Okay not really but just look at this lineup. They're throwing fucking everything at Playstation. 

 

Thoughts?


It's a company notorious for going after the money. It jumped all over Microsoft's balls early last gen because it was dominating the market. Later in that same generation it showed Nintendo some lovin'. It's strategy is to make the biggest bang with their buck. PS4 is dominating this generation so it's going to throw everything Sony's way.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Not really when you consider the fact that their two biggest upcoming titles, FFXV and KHIII, are both coming to the X1 as well.  Back during the PS1 and 2 days, SE were essentially 2nd party developers for Sony as nearly all of their major titles were exlusive to PlayStation platforms, and only a handful of spinoffs found their way onto other platforms like FF Crystal Chronicles or the portable KH games and FF remakes.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Alkibiádēs said:

The logic behind the decision of Square is most likely truck loads of cash by Sony. Dragon Quest IX was on the DS, not the 3DS btw.

Your example of TW3 makes no sense. You're saying console has more prestige over handhelds because the graphics are better and games are bigger and now you say the opposite with TW3? You really can't see the huge contradiction in your logic? CD Projekts Red went multiplatform to increase their userbase. By making Dragon Quest a PS4 exclusive Square would be doing the TOTAL opposite of that.

Yo-kai Watch is all the hype in Japan and gets tons of media exposure there, this again contradicts your logic. Dragon Quest isn't popular in the West, so don't even bother bringing that up.

I never said anything about consoles having more exposition cause of graphics, they have more exposition cause they do, theyve been around longer and the games are much bigger projects and much more complex, it get way more publicity, general public catches wind of console games much easier. Sony doesnt have that much money to go around moneyhatting, this deal with Square go as far as ensuring lots of publicity most likely, just like Nints deal is/was. CD Projeks move to multiplat was to atract investors due to increased exposition (Marcin Mormom said so himself, hes one of the owners of the company), it was a risky move they had no experience developping to multiple plataforms at the same time and it risked alienating theyre PC userbase wich usualy dont take well to graphical consessions in order to acomodate console specs on theyre games. It payed off big time however.

 

Yokai watch has 0 popularity outside Japan, beeing on stage on an E3 press conference and anouncing youre developping DQ XI for PS4 holds a lot of weight. it might even be multiplat and come to WiiU, PS4 and XOne we dont know that yet, but its undeniable that if you want to grow a brand and your company you need publicity and home consoles get a lot more of that than handhelds. And were focusing way too much on one game, the other games in the deal follow the same principle, stregthening the company brand as a whole harnessing the Ps4s publicity and conquering the Japanese home console market while at it, maybe even reigniting Japans interest for home consoles to some extent, cause theyve been favoring handhelds and mobile there for some time now.