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Teeqoz on 04 July 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
Dr.Vita said:
Hardware: Money goes to the console producers
Software: Money goes to the console producers and third-party studios

Exept for sony, that was losing money with every PS3 they sold for the whole generation.


PS3 hardware was profitable since 2010.



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The_BlackHeart__ on 04 July 2015

Think about this:

Company A: Makes an exclusive so good that you don't need any other game for the next months.

Company B: Does not have that game, therefore its users will buy 2 or 3 games to get the same experience.

Why will we punish Company A for making a good game that fulfills all your needs and reward Company B for giving you 1/3 of that satisfaction with each game.

We should crown the winner of each generation for the quantity yes, but also for the quality of their games.



Teeqoz on 04 July 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
Lawlight said:


Incorrect:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/playstation-3-finally-turning-a-profit-on-each-console-sold/

Oh sorry, it only lost money for 4 years lol XD

And when it was losing money, it lost between 200$ - 300$ per unit, so I´m not sure if earning like 15$ per console later is really profitable for the whole generation. I think it doesnt.


Well it certainly didn't go from loosing 200-300 to being profitable in a day lol. It would've been gradual. Something like 2006- 1st half of 2007: 300$ loss per unit, next half of 2007; 250$ loss per unit, 1st half of 2008: 200$ loss per unit, next half of 2008: 150$ loss per unit, 1st half of 2009: 100$ loss per unit, next half of 2009: 50$ loss per unit, 1st half of 2010: 25$ loss per unit, 2nd half of 2010: 10$ profit per unit all the way to 2015 with something like 50$ profit per unit. But overall Sony lost money on the PS3, though that is well known.



Platina on 04 July 2015

'Winning' a generation is always up to interpretation, but I'll settle for the most hardware sales



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ArchangelMadzz on 04 July 2015

Next thing people'll start crowning the winner to the one with the best exclusives. We don't know digital sales so we can't compare that way.

Also PS3 will likely overtake in that category aswell in a few years (which is harder to do than hardware given the 1 year lead)



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Esiar on 05 July 2015

Wouldn't the amount of profits make the most sense?



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Mr Puggsly on 05 July 2015
naruball said:

You know, you could always be a nice person and thank the other person who tried to educate you without them using any snarky remarks. You clearly made a factually incorrect statement. Your reply is completely irrelevant to the point you made. Had you said, "ps3 hardware was not profitable", it would have been fine. But you didn't. It's not that big of a deal to admit that you were wrong, you know.

As for the actual argument you made, you are suggesting that when it was losing money, it was always between 200 -300 USD, and when it was earing it was  merely 15 USD. How exactly do you know that? How many years did that last for? Were there really no other variations?

At any rate, as far as I'm concerned, it's impossible to determine a winner. Each console was a winner and a loser last gen.

Xb360 - winner for improving over xboriginal, strengthening the xb brand, making live successful, etc

xb360- loser for losing billions of dollars due to RROD. Last years of its cycle not well supported, leaving the door open for ps4 to kick ass.

Ps3 - winner.  It was so well supported that it helped the brand, hence the sales of ps4

ps3 - loser Lost bllions at the beginning until middle of the generation due to expensive hardware. Lost the lead, many ps fans went to the xb camp and never came back. Now Sony needs to put up a fight to win the Us and the UK with ps4.

Wii - winner. Massive hardware and software sales. Extemely profitable

Wii - Loser. Many people who bought it (especially the masses) felt burnt after buying a console they had no need for. Support dropped and only a tiny hardcore fanbase was left with interest in Ninty consoles. WIu sales were (at least in my opinion) a clear reflection of customer dissatisfaction with the wii. It hurt the brand more than people care to admit.

So who is the winner? Easy. No one.

The Op's argument is flawed considering that

a) We simply have no reliable source for how much each console has sold

b) 2 sales are not always better than 4. You also need to take into account cost of each game, price drops, first party/ third party, cost of developing the game, etc. For example, I'm sure than wii play cost close to nothing, while other successful games like Halo 3, Grand Turismo 5, etc cost 10s of millions of dollars.

I don't think 8th gen should be considered when discussing the winner of 7th gen. If the ball gets dropped on the next gen, that isn't a failure of the previous gen.

For example, Playstation great steam following the PS2. The PS2's success isn't lessened by the mistakes made with PS3. Instead the PS3 failed inspite of having great momentum from PS2. Bear in mind Sony flat out said they couldn't afford another PS3.

PS4 is primarily succeeding from mistakes made with X1 and Wii U. Not mistakes of 360 and Wii.



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NintendoPie on 05 July 2015

I was about to say I couldn't believe the amount of people still trying to work over their "facts" in a way so that the Wii "lost" last generation, but that would've been a lie. Quite hilarious.