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Ruler on 23 June 2015
PenguinZ said:
Ruler said:

If nintendos handheld is not more powerfull than the vita then the vita can compete with it another generation and since graphics improve the vita gets utilized more graphicly. It should increase in sales espacially if sony drops the price. And i am talking about 2 generations here, 40 million should be archieveble in 2020


What does power have to do with anything? Let's be honest here, everytime any time someone has challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, the competing handheld's hardware was superior to Nintendo's... How did those handhelds do against the Nintendo handhelds they competed against?

Even if Nintendo's next gen handheld is still weaker than the Vita, it's sales will still probably run laps around the Vita.  Sony isn't commited enough to make their handheld a competitive platform to Nintendo, nor do they have the games portfolio to compete with Nintendo in the handheld realm.

40 million isn't achievable.

Yet nintendo gets never third party games not even with the wii. Its not about outselling nintendo but taking marketshare away as much as possible for sony, espacially if they dont even need to devolope a handheld or new platform unlike nintendo because the vita is strong enough



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zorg1000 on 23 June 2015
Mystro-Sama said:
RolStoppable said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Exclusives. This is the bread and butter of any console. There thousands of people out there who would gladly buy a Nintendo console alone if they could have their third party games that they love while having the Marios, the Zeldas and the Metroids all on one console. Why do you think the PS4 is selling so well? It's because it has a mix of practically everything.

Thousands of people? Wow.

Excuse my sarcasm, but you should really consider to provide something substantial to support your claims.

I think the PS4 is selling so well because the alternatives this generation really, really, really sucked. Plus multiplats are considered to be the best games on the system, so it's the opposite of Nintendo consoles where multiplats are considered to be the worst games if we use the three categories first party, third party exclusives and multiplats.

Um, Nintendo consoles have sold worse and worse each generation as they gradually lost third party support (excluding the Wii for obvious reasons). Where your proof to support your claims?

Did SNES get less 3rd party support than NES? I don't think it did, yet it sold worse.

Gamecube had better 3rd party support than N64 yet it sold worse.

I think ur theory is debunked.



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mine on 23 June 2015

"Next gen" doesn't matter for Nintendo. Portable and Mobile is where the money was, is and will be.

Nintendo badly needs a successor for the New 3DS which also enables them to use one code base for all systems - thats what NX means.

It is technically possible to make the Wii U a NX console and maybe Nintendo will just do that.

For their next console Nintendo will wait for the REAL NEXT GEN GPUs with HBM to become main stream.

This way they could deliver more performance then PS4 at a fraction of the price. Which should be in the holiday 2018 timeframe...



mine on 23 June 2015
Koinzell said:
The truth is, Miyamoto isn't the nice guy you see at E3 oder Nintendo Directs. He's, compared to Regie, a Businessman with a clear perspective. But his perspective is, in the year 2015, old fashioned. His "Gameplay comes before everything else" Philosophy is not an Option anymore. Yes, Gameplay should be fun and smooth, but you also have to tell a good Story and sometime you have to go beyond borders to present unique Features. I mean, it's still great what Miyamoto is doing, but I think it's not good enugh anymore for Nintendos future. The guys working under Miyamoto don't have the freedom they want, in many "Iwata Asks" you will read this concern of his employees. During development, Miyamoto is dismissing many great ideas.

Gameplay has to come first or there is no game at all. Period.

 

Just take a look at Splatoon. For that title alone it is worth to buy a Wii U. 

 

The only title coming near to it is "For Honor" - but that is lame compared to Splatoons Gameplay.

 

Whie other companies make a full game from a half baked idea - it is Nintendo where often a single game offers so many ideas that others can rip those off and make multiple games from them...

 



Burek on 23 June 2015
zorg1000 said:
Mystro-Sama said:

Um, Nintendo consoles have sold worse and worse each generation as they gradually lost third party support (excluding the Wii for obvious reasons). Where your proof to support your claims?

Did SNES get less 3rd party support than NES? I don't think it did, yet it sold worse.

Gamecube had better 3rd party support than N64 yet it sold worse.

I think ur theory is debunked.

You cannot really compare today's gaming environment with 15-20 year old consoles.

Today's consoles are ruled by 3rd party publishers, exclusives are just a small bonus. EA, Activision, Ubisoft and Take2 control the market, and failing to ensure their games on any system is a sure-fire way to irrelevance.



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Aerys on 23 June 2015

NX is going to flop ... And should flop if they are killing the WiiU after only 3 years on the market, thé common sensé would be to not buy it day one and wait for 3 years to see if they dont kill it, its about trust



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Maraccuda on 23 June 2015

We all knew this when the Wii U released though...



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Samus Aran on 23 June 2015
Aerys said:

NX is going to flop ... And should flop if they are killing the WiiU after only 3 years on the market, thé common sensé would be to not buy it day one and wait for 3 years to see if they dont kill it, its about trust

So are you going to stop supporting Sony because of what they did to the Vita?



Qwark on 23 June 2015
RolStoppable said:
You are too caught up in the present and not interested in gathering information about Nintendo's next generation plans. Analysts did the same thing prior to the Wii and extrapolated their predictions based on how the GameCube performed. You should know how that turned out.

If you have a sincere interest in where Nintendo will be going, then you'll read up on Nintendo's Q&A sessions with investors.

 

 Not to be a dick, but the Wii was a miracle and it appealed andere audience that normaly doesn't  buy consoles. With the rise of mobile gaming that audience is lost forever. So I am not saying the NX can not outperform the Wii U but don't expect a console rivaling either MS or Sony. Since even if a Nintendo system could handle third party why would they even bring it to a Nintendo console, which are tough to develop for with little reward? 

 



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Qwark on 23 June 2015
Burek said:
zorg1000 said:

Did SNES get less 3rd party support than NES? I don't think it did, yet it sold worse.

Gamecube had better 3rd party support than N64 yet it sold worse.

I think ur theory is debunked.

You cannot really compare today's gaming environment with 15-20 year old consoles.

Today's consoles are ruled by 3rd party publishers, exclusives are just a small bonus. EA, Activision, Ubisoft and Take2 control the market, and failing to ensure their games on any system is a sure-fire way to irrelevance.

 

PS1 had more third party support and smashed the N64. The PS2 litteraly murdered the GameCube, the wii was a one time phenomen but it's audience moved away. The Wii U had to many draughts due to the lack of third party and HD development, So unless you don't want less total draughts for months third party is viral for Nintendo.



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