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enlightenedmaster on 23 June 2015
beeje13 said:

Sony don't tell Naughty Dog what they can and can't do, that's well documented. They have a new IP in very early stages as of 2014. And I can see another game set in The Last Of Us' universe, but I say: no Uncharted 5. Maybe a spin off in 5 years time, or earlier if done by another dev, but not another mainline Uncharted game.

And Sony isn't going to blow half a billion dollars on timed exclusivity, that's crazy. They would be lucky to see even half of that in returns over the life of the console.

yes they do,naughty dog is a SONY fucking company and UNCHARTED is their 2nd biggest and soon to be the biggest franchise

SONY pump money into Naaghty Dog and expect quality return on their investment.no wonder SONY fired Naughty Dog head's last year,probably cause they disagreed and din't maintain standards and deadline.

Its stupid if you even believe a thing like that

SONY might not interfere much as they are known to provide artistic freedom and also Naughty Dog's historical standards and Products have been upto mark.

 

Also its pretty stupid if you believe there will be no UNCHARTED 5 cause its gonna be their biggest franchise.They will have a mainline big-budget full developed game whether it be prequel or sequel or another theme.

 

also SONY wud easily blow $500million on GTA6 exclusivity as GTA6 will itself boost PS4 sales by 10-20million consoles and wud seal PS4 as crushing lead of 70% and make GTA a PLAYSTATION centric game that even if they don't have GTA7 exclusivity that it will sell mostly on PS4 and on PS5.

Also SONY blew $100-150million just on GTA5 DLC,Bundle and Marketing exclusivity.they will easily blow $500million on GTA6 Timed,DLC,Bundle and Marketing exclusivity.

also SONY if provided GTA6 exclusvity could easily blow $200million just on marketing and with ROCKSTAR spending $200million on GTA5 marketing cud make GTA6 Marketing a cumulative $400million marketing campaign which would blow PS4 sales out of the bottle and they cud spend another $300million on GTA6 Timed exclusivity and DLC and Bundle

 

Also SONY already has 3game exclusive deal with ROCKSTAR,a legendary relationship and PS4 lead which will be bigger by GTA6 2017 release and 4:1 lead with XBONE by the end of the generation and SONY comeback and chance to finish of the genrationa and have outright dominance lead on PS5 and GTA6 might even benfit from Exclusive publicity so they don't even need to spend $500million.it cud actually come to them without spending anything.But they cud easily spend $100-200million and $500m if necesary and they will make that in Console and Royalty profits as it is

PS4 will likely sell 25-30million copies into $8 royalties equals close to $250million plus PS4 profits and overall boost as Brand



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enlightenedmaster on 23 June 2015
Teeqoz said:
enlightenedmaster said:
Teeqoz said:
enlightenedmaster said:


SONY made a miniscule $50 profit in 2013 in MUSIC,PLAYSTATION without PS3,VITA or  R&D losses wud outright beat that


I'm talking about 2014 though, where Sony didn't have any PS4 R&D expenses, the PS3 is deffinitely not sold at a loss since they went past the breakeven point on PS3 hardware back in 2010, and the losses for Vita occured in 2012 and in 2013.

 

And that's 50 BILLION Yen in 2013, which equals roughly 400 million USD, while in 2014 they made 59 BILLION Yen , or  475 Million USD (both of these from Music). In 2014 they made almost 50 billion yen from gaming, or almost 400 million USD.

 

Now obviously 475 million dollars is more than 400 million dollars, thus Sony makes more from Music than from Gaming. So if they make shit from Music that would mean they make shit from Gaming too.

show me the financials or report where its said SONY MUSIC made $475m profit

 

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/14q4_sonypre.pdf

Go to page 3, there you'll see a breakdown by segment, Where you'll see it says 59.0 for Music and there's a notice that says all figures are in billion yen unless otherwise noted. Then if you transfer 59 billion yen to usd you get approx 475 million.


alrite got it

thankyou

but if PLAYSTATION wud do outright well,it will easily trump MUSIC division but good to see SONY doing well there

 

also SONY still seems to have alot of PLAYSTATION R&D



enlightenedmaster on 23 June 2015
KBG29 said:
I think the one last thing Sony has to do, that was not mentioned in the OP, is revamp the PlayStation Mobile side of the PS brand. Once PlayStation Network is ironed out, PS Vue is nation wide, PS Now has PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP, and PS Vita titles available, then it is time for the 3rd gen PS Mobile. If they have things working flawless, then every one of the 100M++ PS4 users should have no problem jumping over to PS Mobile devices. This will give them a solid footing in home and mobile, and help them continue to grow into the 2020s.

yes PS Mobile cud have been very BIG and still can be

though i think Project Morpheus will not be that big,it could be cool and used big time and cud be Wii success and even bigger as it can be used in many industries but that will take time and alot of other competitors will come in for cheap sales



GTstation on 23 June 2015

Any one who this this is the end of Uncharted is kidding them selves.

I can honestly see Sony upping NDs staff and creating a full time second unit, one for business makes sense projects and one for ND to go balls out on.





enlightenedmaster on 23 June 2015
GTstation said:
Any one who this this is the end of Uncharted is kidding them selves.

I can honestly see Sony upping NDs staff and creating a full time second unit, one for business makes sense projects and one for ND to go balls out on.



yup its joke people believe ND saying UC4 is last

 

show that they don't know anything abt gaming or buisness



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beeje13 on 27 June 2015

Alright believe what you want, but at least know what you are talking about before swearing and calling us stupid, the irony is strong here...

Oh I see you are banned. I'm not surprised, well done mods.



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Tmfwang on 27 June 2015

You need to get your facts straight; Infamous 3 and Killzone 4 has already been released, and you forgot Ratchet And Clank releasing for PS4 in 2016 :)



Predicted 15+ million lifetime-sales for God of War:

- http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=234612&page=1

Hardcore_gamer on 27 June 2015
enlightenedmaster said:

So PS4 has started of to a great start.SONY have laid back a little bit and seemed to become lazy to a certain extent over the last 6months to 1year after the great PS4 launch and great PS3 comeback


Now SONY isn't anywhere near its GODLY and TITANIC days where it was the biggest Consumer Electronics Company and by far the most recognized.It has gone down significantly after the blunders of the last 10 years and increasing competition from American and Korean Companies.

BRAVIA,PLAYSTATION,XPERIA,SONY ERICSSON,WALKMAN,BLU-RAY,etc all went to shit,may it be because SONY becoming arrogant as all successful companies do or because of JAPAN high manufacturing costs,exchange rates fluctuations,Korean cheap labour and competitiveness,CHINA slave labor costs,SONY becoming old and visionaries dying,american dominance and BIG money with APPLE and MICROSOFT,21st century pop culture of buying the popular products not the best quality product.

But there seems to be some life still left in the Old DOG.And it could be on the return and cud even comeback full-time.SONY might be on its comeback track with KAZ HIRAI & HOWARD STRINGER ouright cutting off its wounded parts,Sony could be lean and mean again.Also JAPAN starting to gain some of its freedoms back that were taken away after WORLD WAR 2 and alot of the SONY Old BOYS making their opinions heard as they care for SONY and also the PAX-AMERICANA And monopolistic and unfair practices of USA and EUROPEAN counter-parts die with the New World Order emerging.SONY cud thrive for a lot longer if the revamp is succesful and SONY cud whether the STORM and come back in the new age STRONG.

 

Why I discuss all this is because SONY itself the way it has been for the last 10 years cannot take on the burden of all out competing for a long time as they don't have the massive arsenal they once used to have to back them up when they are fallen.You can easily see this with Nintendo that as a Gaming company itself,they are struggling and will find themselves increasing sidelined.

Most of the World in every way or form is unifying and making blocks and unified universes may it be group of countries,culture,reiligion or in this case technology

APPLE has iOS

Samsung has Android but will finally move on to Tizen

Microsoft has Windows Metro

SONY seemed to have SEN but they seem to have faultered and now revamping

Google has Android and Chrome

Today compete in today's world in technolgy,you need to be unified and have big content deals andbig backing to provide users a constant and smooth service.

Out of all those,Apple is outright dominating everybody.As of now it only seems Google and Samsung can take on Apple.But even Microsoft with the size the wealth of the company could easily take own atleast on the financial stage.SONY cud easily take on anyone of them 10 years ago,it was a titan back then but close to 20-30billion in losses,SONY is nowhere near where it was back then.All its brands have been tarnished but still have a legendary global Image and Goodwill and has big quality standards.

 

So Lets see with all this where SONY and PLAYSTATION go in the next few years.

Now,PS4 was successfull because SONY is a global brand unlike Nintendo and Microsoft and PLAYSTATION is the biggest gaming brand for the last 20 years outright.PS2 was legendary console and in noway anything other than PS3 was gonna win HD Generation even if the contender delivered big time.But because PS3 bombed because of price,delay,manufacturing problems,game delays and exclusives lost because SONY became arrogant after all those years.And hence WiiU because of its Innovative console and cheaper price and more casual console similar to PS2's casual popularity and Nintendo's brand power and legendary gaming franchises won the HD generation.And On the other hand X360 gave PS3 a BIG TOUGH fight allout the generation to come from being the smallest gaming BRAND to becoming iconic.Microsoft's BIG pockets helped as  X360 snatched every BIG exclusive associated with PLAYSTATION brand and even GIGANTIC marketing and discount bundles helped it in addition to 1 year head-start

Now even after the biggest blunder in gaming history and one of the biggest in corporate history,PS3 still clawed back to defeat X360 before the start of Generation 8 and came close to 10million of beating Wii.When Generation 7 started,people became arrogant and without mush wisdom and vision thought Wii would beat PS2 and X360 would easily beat PS3 and PS3 would be Gamecube and SONY would go bankrupt and SONY will never again get exclusives and will be last brand in gaming from now on and Wii2 and XBOX 720 wud be the biggest things on the planet and Call of Duty was bigger than Grand Theft Auto.Well anybody who had followed gaming for longtime,was experienced and was intuitive and visionary quickly saw through all these illusion and knew how alot of casuals following XBOX 1 and Gamecube had suddenly become core gamers and knew everything not just about gaming but about the world.

But reality struck and Wii crashed long before its successor,X360 also slowed down considerably and showed its brand weakness and PS3 and SONY legendary effort with PS3 First party line-up gave them 2nd place in Generation 7.Call of Duty got beat to shit by GTA,WiiU bombed and XBONE had a terrible start,SONY never went bankrupt and acutallyu is now on track for record profits in 10-15years.PS4 is on track to replicate PS2 and even beats PS2's dominance.Nintendo is struggling on all ends except a little bright spot called 3DS and Microsoft ahve gotten some sense kicked into them on their own or by their shareholders that just wasting money on something MICROSOFT panicked about 15 years ago doesn't make sense that SONY would outright dominate LIVING ROOM space and also competitiion frm Google,Android,Apple have made Microsoft think hard and in many ways just seem to have given up.



Now obviously SONY global brand power and legacy helped SONY big time and PLAYSTATION being the biggest brand globally helped it and it was natural that only becuase of SONY's own fuck-up that PS3 bombed,coming within 10million of beating Wii,if they had a good launch,lower price,games,exclusives and especially the PS2 brand power,PS3 would outright beat Wii.If somebody wud contest this,they are still living in delusional 2008 world of gaming.But alot of credit also has to go to the circumstances like LIVING AREA SPACE not being as BIG as companies hoped to cash in,otherwise MICROSOFT would have poured even more money,commen sense also helped as MICROSOFT realized than wasting money just because they have it doesn't make sense and public also normalized and undertsood quality over quality.Even the Technological changes helped as NDS and 3DS and WiiU Tablet weren't really anything revolutionary when comparing technologies and also APPLE,GOOGLE,SAMSUNG dominance and SONY,NINTENDO gaming dominance weakened MICROSOFT.

PS4 had a great start and as circumstances regarding price,difficulty making games,launch,manufacturing problems,games,exclusives from first party were resolved,PLAYSTATION went back to its default position No.1.

SONY and PS4 didn't even have to do much.Some people blaming Nintendo & WiiU and MICROSOFT & XBONE launch are agin not very realistic and poor visionaries as PS3 loss last gen was SONY's own fault.SONY and PLAYSTATION brand was tarnished but they repaired alot of it by PS3 performance in second half of its life and other than that SONY and PLAYSTATION were as it is even after Wii AND x360 Success,outright bigger brands globally.

Because of this the sales picked up and exclusives came back to PS4 and many of the traitors like japanese and some western devs just realized their own mistakes after their switch away from PLAYSTATION base platform didn't really benefit and even harmed them.So they all came back home.And this is just the beggining.

 

Now I think SONY has relaxed a bit in the last 1 year and could have really finsihed off XBONE completely this holiday season but they have had a good run and might have some secret plan.

Microsoft at this stage can easily comeback as SONY had not closed their lead outright.And with MICROSOFT's BIG pockets and american cut-throat capitalism could come and even beat SONY.I don't think that would happen but the possibility is there.Now alot of people and casual wannabe wisemen and oracles will come-out and say,thats bullshit as they are poor visionaries like they did last generation that Wii will beat PS2 and MICROSOFT would finish off SONY.MICROSOFT has alot of money and much much more flowing in every year.But I think they have understood to a large extent that wasting money is not the right way and also they sort of missed the boat as now GOOGLE,SAMSUNG AND APPLE have already come into the LIVING SPACE and will go allout into the future and for MICROSOFT to take on them would be very difficult so they are either quitting or thinking of an entirely new plan.Also shareholders not being happy and XBOX not performing as good and XBOX sale rumors and suggestions all add to it.

All this has helped SONY,it can easily beat Nintendo and Microsoft but just beating themin gaming itself will not help as gaming will soon become part of mainstream product like TV inbuilt console or game streaming.So SONY have to win in Gaming but Also have to turn-around company and even totally launching new TV brand and Service and Products as they need a Unified Universe to keep the users with their brand for long-term sustainability.

Anyways,quite a long thread.Now i will map out how SONY will play out its plans over the next 5-10years and what all difficulties it might have.



2015end - 35-40m PS4's

PS4 Price-cut $50 - $349 PS4 500gb and $399 PS4 1tb

VITA Price-cut $100 - VITA $99

METAL GEAR SOLID 5 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

FINAL FANTASY 15(possible release) DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

CALL OF DUTY DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

 


2016end - 55-60m PS4's

PS4 SLIM without price-cut

Project Morpheus $199-299

UNCHARTED 4 - March 2016

LAST GUARDIAN

RESIDENT EVIL 7 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

SUCKER PUNCH 2nd Studio New IP

KINGDOM HEARTS 3 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity(unsure as rumors that Microsoft has bought it)

GRAN TURISMO 7

STREET FIGHTER 5

TITANFALL 2 - Packed-in with TITANFALL 1 for PS4

Final Fantasy 15 - Q1 2016 release(JAN-MARCH possible release) DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

FINAL FANTASY 15 Guaranteed 2016 release worldwide DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

CALL OF DUTY DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

HORIZON



2017end - 80-90m PS4's

PS4 Price-cut $50 - $299 PS4 1tb and $349 PS4 2tb

LAST OF US 2

INFAMOUS 3

GOD OF WAR 4

Bend Studio New IP

DESTINY 2 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

CALL OF DUTY DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

FINAL FANTASY 7

MOTORSTORM

SHENMUE 3(success dependent upon quality,story and sony marketing)

GRAND THEFT AUTO 6 - 1year Timed Exclusivity

Nintendo NX or DENA Handheld-Mobile Partnership - Games playable on Android and iOS devices(will affect SONY success)

SONY major revamping and relaunching Old and New brands and return to stable profitability(will affect SONY success)



2018end - 100-105m PS4's

PS4 SUPER SLIM without price-cut

UNCHARTED 5

KILLZONE 4

DRIVECLUB

METAL GEAR SOLID 6 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity(full exclusivity if MGS5 bombs on XBONE)

AGENT or Other ROCKSTAR New IP Full Exclusive

SANTA MONIC 2nd Studio New IP

CALL OF DUTY DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity(Possible Last year of Activision-SONY COD Partnership)

Nintendo NX Console Launch with Android and iOS Support with Android TV OS - Games playable on Android TV and Apple TV(will affect SONY success)

SONY major revamping and relaunching



2019end - 115-120m PS4's

PS4 Price-cut $50 - $249 PS4 1tb and $349 PS4 2tb

GRAN TURISMO 8

STREET FIGHTER 6

SOCOM

RESIDENT EVIL 8 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

RED DEAD REDEMPTION 3 DLC,Marketing and Bundle exclusivity

GOD OF WAR 5

FINAL FANTASY 16(full exclusivity if FF15 bombs on XBONE)

LAST OF US 3

APPLE TV Launch $749-1000 55inch & $1000-1500 - Inbuilt Console Hardware and Streaming capabilities - Wii2 aka Casual gaming with smooth Cartoon Graphics(will affect SONY success)


2020end - 130-140m PS4's

PS4 SUPER SLIM CHEAP Version without price-cut

PS5 Launch $399-499 with 2tb SSD

HORIZON 2

UNCHARTED 6

GRAND THEFT AUTO 7 - 1year Timed Exclusivity

XBOX NEXT Launch $399-499



2021end - 150-160m PS4's & 5m PS5's

PS4 Price-cut $50 - $199 PS4 1tb and $249 PS4 2tb

GRAND THEFT AUTO 7 for PS5


 

 

Now please Predict the same about SONY gaming and otherwise products and company timeline

 

MOD NOTE: In noway have i tried to bait or had the intention of baiting anybody as if you read my OP,you will find i have spoken for different sides.If still some problem then PM me and i will edit it out.My Intentions in the past have been misinterpreted.

Woow so far the worst prediction I've seen in my life half of them won't even happen 



DerNebel on 27 June 2015
enlightenedmaster said:
GTstation said:
Any one who this this is the end of Uncharted is kidding them selves.

I can honestly see Sony upping NDs staff and creating a full time second unit, one for business makes sense projects and one for ND to go balls out on.



yup its joke people believe ND saying UC4 is last

 

show that they don't know anything abt gaming or buisness

Coming from the guy that thinks ND will be able to make 5 games in the next 5 years and that Sony would pay for timed GTA exclusivity (btw. nice job pulling the Sony paid $100-150 million for GTA V marketing number straight out of your ass) this is pretty rich.

Step of your high horse, you've been talking some straight up fairytale bullshit in this thread.



SuperNova on 27 June 2015

Uhh, I'm not going to lie I gave up on OP after the first two big paragraphs so I'll probably never find out where you think sony will go in the next few years, but I just couldn't go on.
Op is written like sony is some sort of religious cult especially with the EMPHASIS on ramdom words. I sort of felt like Op was trying to send me subliminal messages.
I have no problems with reading a long Op as long as it is well laid- and thought out as well as adequately written.
Maybe put less buzzwords, like dominance, new-world-order, titanic and godly in and try for a more level-headed approach and you'll have me interested to hear/read your opinions next time.