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DanneSandin on 16 June 2015
Burek said:
DanneSandin said:

Which game is it that you still have to pay half price for it, even after backing the project?

But still, this could set a bad precedent for the entire industry to follow. It's a slippery slope my friend. Publishers hate to spend money on games, but loooves to get some from them

What? I don't understand. If you back the project, you will receive the game.

Here's the link showing you what you receive for backing the game: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/pledge/new?clicked_reward=false

Nobody is forcing you to pay a single cent until the game is released...just like with any other game ever.

I might have confused it with another game, but I think I read somewhere that if you backed a project you still had to pay half price for the finished product. But it doesn't seem to be this one.

But I still think this sets a bad precedent for the entire industry



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Cloudman on 16 June 2015
kurasakiichimaru said:
Cloudman said:
Ruler said:
Cloudman said:
Ruler said:

 

I don't know.. Seems to come off in poor taste if Sony doesn't want to fund it, but then use their conference to sort of treat it as their own and to have fans fund it instead of them.

yeah but MS and Nintendo wouldnt have done anything. So whats better? this kickstarter or nothing?

There is also option C, which is Sony funding it themselves. They have the funds, and 2 mil is not too much for a company. They should have funded it or left it alone. They shouldn't expect fans to try to cover for some of the expenses.

Archaic options like that are reasons why a lot of games are never greenlit. Shenmue was never been a Playstation game, you can't expect a sizeable fanbase to support a game that never came to their platform. The risks are high that the game will flop without an inkling of support from the Sega fans. Gaming is business not a charity.

That is how business works. Businesses are supposed to sell the product to the consumer. The consumer are not the ones to fund products. Also, there have been other games that were new to other consoles and have sold well. Who is to say Shenmue can't do the same?



 

              

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GrandMasterFF4life on 16 June 2015

Just shattered records on Kickstarter

Shenmue 3 is wanted and Sony connected it to their console like a boss



Goddbless on 16 June 2015

I agree this is a dangerous trend. I think because it is a game like Shenmue that so many have been asking for it is viewed differently right now. This trend will not only continue but Sony may have set the precedent by announcing it at E3. Next years E3 should be interesting...

By the way, since technology has gotten better by leaps and bounds since the original Shenmue and it's sequel I hope they take that into consideration when making 3. The original may have been revolutionary for it's time but kids these days would find it boring.



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Curmudgeon on 16 June 2015

yeah but MS and Nintendo wouldnt have done anything. So whats better? this kickstarter or nothing?

See I don't believe in the 'kickstarter or nothing' argument. At least this argument should not be. The 2 million goal is not going to be the difference in having enough resources to make this game, the total budget will be much higher. The can make the game if they want to. This Kickstarter is a way to make gamers responsible for part of the development costs, and thereby shifting more risk to the gamers even though a major companies are involved and this is not rrequired. The issue is that I see this becoming a precedent, leading to a trend in which devs/publishers start shifting the risks and development costs towards consumers. Thats a world turned on its head. 



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MikeRox on 16 June 2015
vivster said:

Tell me a better way to accurately gauge market viability.

And it's not like anyone is losing anything through this.


I agree with the OP. Kickstarter is for when there is no other route to market. However, being announced on the stage of one of the biggest gaming expos during the biggest formats main show?

They're trying to take the risk out of gaming projects without sharing the rewards. I find it a bit of an abuse in this sort of case.

Kickstarter should be the last resort because all the publishers won't support it. Not a subsidy to increase profitability as this is being shown as.



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Ruler on 16 June 2015
Goddbless said:
I agree this is a dangerous trend. I think because it is a game like Shenmue that so many have been asking for it is viewed differently right now. This trend will not only continue but Sony may have set the precedent by announcing it at E3. Next years E3 should be interesting...

By the way, since technology has gotten better by leaps and bounds since the original Shenmue and it's sequel I hope they take that into consideration when making 3. The original may have been revolutionary for it's time but kids these days would find it boring.


so letting a studio die like with Phantom dust and make nothing with the IP is the better way?

http://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142

this game could have been saved with a kickstarter 



vivster on 16 June 2015
MikeRox said:
vivster said:

Tell me a better way to accurately gauge market viability.

And it's not like anyone is losing anything through this.


I agree with the OP. Kickstarter is for when there is no other route to market. However, being announced on the stage of one of the biggest gaming expos during the biggest formats main show?

They're trying to take the risk out of gaming projects without sharing the rewards. I find it a bit of an abuse in this sort of case.

Kickstarter should be the last resort because all the publishers won't support it. Not a subsidy to increase profitability as this is being shown as.

If there was another route to the market Shenmue would've already happened.

Just because you're appearing on a stage of a big show doesn't mean that you have complete financial backing of the one who owns the stage.

Taking the risk out of game development sounds like a pretty good thing to me. And what rewards are you talking about that need to be shared?



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kurasakiichimaru on 16 June 2015
Cloudman said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
Cloudman said:
Ruler said:
Cloudman said:
Ruler said:
 

 

I don't know.. Seems to come off in poor taste if Sony doesn't want to fund it, but then use their conference to sort of treat it as their own and to have fans fund it instead of them.

yeah but MS and Nintendo wouldnt have done anything. So whats better? this kickstarter or nothing?

There is also option C, which is Sony funding it themselves. They have the funds, and 2 mil is not too much for a company. They should have funded it or left it alone. They shouldn't expect fans to try to cover for some of the expenses.

Archaic options like that are reasons why a lot of games are never greenlit. Shenmue was never been a Playstation game, you can't expect a sizeable fanbase to support a game that never came to their platform. The risks are high that the game will flop without an inkling of support from the Sega fans. Gaming is business not a charity.

That is how business works. Businesses are supposed to sell the product to the consumer. The consumer are not the ones to fund products. Also, there have been other games that were new to other consoles and have sold well. Who is to say Shenmue can't do the same?

I didn't know a stockholder is prohibited from buying his own products from a company he inversted in cause that basically contradict your post.

Your arguments are based on what-ifs scenarios.



Curmudgeon on 16 June 2015

You still get the game regardless if you donate or you buy it. You're just helping it 'get done faster' or even 'get it done at all'.

The point is that you're not helping it get done at all. Of course they can fund this game without that 2 million bonus. They are just happily shifting the risks of development towards gamers. If this becomes a trend, and I think that is a realistic assumption, this can eventually lead get gamers/consumers taking all the risks, paying for development, instead of the companies.



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