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Kowan said:
taus90 said:
Kowan said:

You can't really say that when the game itself isn't released yet. Same for Versus, no one has ever played that nor knows what the story is about. Sure Stella SEEMED important but we don't know the entirety of her story.  Luna replaced her and she looks exactly like Stella, who knows what her role will ultimately be.

Well I can, as there have been tons of info and trailer on who stella was and how important she was to the story, as a matter of fact, noctis and stella were the only charactered introduced, and Nomura used their Romeo & Juliet esque angle to promote the game. People who have been following this game for9 years, know exactly what this game was and why it was special and there was a reason why it was named VERSUSXIII.. its just people who only had fleeting interest in the game think nothing was revealed and everything is a speculation.

I have been following the game since its announcement and have watched, read everything Square has released for it and in no way have they released sufficient info about Stella. Why would they when the game isn't released yet. If you really do know who she is, then please enlighten me. Who is she? What is her role? WHat does she do? Why does she appear to be fighting against Noctis? Who wins? Does she live? Oh and don't be saying she's a special someone who like Noctis can see the light of the place of the dead. Tell me something that makes her important to the entirety of the story since you seem to know the story of Versus already.

No offence, but it doesnt seem like you had been following this game, do u know how many trailer, gameplay trailerare out there? and how many gameplay trailers and japenese article on the game, so many of fans wouldnt have been cosplaying stella or noctis if they they have any info on them. Again as i said they were the only two people introduced from the game and were used for promotion, infact only stella was used in one of the japenese promo of final fantasy versus describing what Fabula Nova Crystalis is, they wouldnt have used her if she wasnt important to the story as noctis was. And i have stated about this in my other post go look it up, its more than about seeing light of the day.

but just for your satisfaction I'll try one more time to explain who stella was...

The reason people were invested in the original character is because of the way she was pitched as. Character design, just the visual, on its own, is already an expression of an intent. When you see Cloud with a big ass sword you know he's a tough guy in some kinda uniform even without having played the game or seeing him in action. Character traits therefore are expressed in the design itself. Design has been changed, the new girl looks a lot more younger, less confident and more vulnerable, just from the outset. But we had more to the pitch of Stella than just that. We had scenes in which she was shown being in some kind of imposed rivalry with Noctis, we had scenes from trailers and descriptions that gave ideas of what her character is like. All of these were presented to us in order to sell us, potential audience, on the character of the upcoming game. That's what people were invested in.

We had a strong girl from a rival family who had similar abilities to the protagonist, being stuck in a Romeo and Juliet-esque star-crossed lovers situation. On one hand stella was one who was more upfront and accepting about her gift, as oppose to noctis who had reservations about it (speculation were that he had spilt personality, as his eyes would glow red for when ever he saw the light, changing him into antoganist, pitting him against stella or  probably she would have been a sub boss character) That was the pitch and some people found it interesting and an appealing point of the game.

It is now being discarded and replaced with what the new dev team thinks would work better for the game they are making - which is fair - but if an interesting pitch like Stella is being replaced with a vulnerable princess archetype that might not even hold a candle to better ladies in the series such as Ashe, Garnet or Yuna, well then of course people will be a little bit worried (although fair is fair, I'll admit that we don't know many details about Lunafreya yet - other than the way she is presented so far or, er, pitched to us if you want).

Again No offence! i wouldnt have needed to tell you all this if all if you had honestly followed the game over the years.



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outlawauron said:
taus90 said:
LMU Uncle Alfred said:
Now that I look at it, this is probably for the best. The original story probably had Stella as a Lightning sort of character and both her and Noctis would be OP in the world of FFXV...of course Luna could still be OP as well. Knowing SE however and how they write each character entirely on their name, Luna which stands for Moon rather than Star makes it seem like Luna will be more mild mannered.

If Nomura was left to his own devices every main character would be OP, or at the very least above human level.

There have been quite a huge number of strong female characters in FF, and looking back most of them were exactly that..rather than damsels in distress as I believe one user complained about Luna being.

A big No. Nomura at reveal of Stella, was especially asked how similar stella to lightning, and his answer was she is completely opp, she is strong but grounded at the same time and is torn between love for Noctis and loyatly for family. The whole Shakespear's multiple stories adaptation was the biggest pull of the versus, And Nomura was using Romeo & Juliet esque love story on Noctics and Stella as a sales pitch for the game.

why is it so hard to understand.

This sounds almost exactly like Lightning's character motivations.

I don't understand why people use her a some low peg to avoid. 

My knowledge of lightning is not the same as urs. wasnt lightning orphaned and had issues with her sister over her higher agenda of medling with whats right or wrong... and versus was all about shakespear quote " There is nothing right or wrong, only thinking makes it so". from the trailers itself stella wasnt much bothered about whats going between the two kingdom, but was much more invested in her special powers and helping noctis coming to terms with it so they can be together.



LMU Uncle Alfred said:
taus90 said:
LMU Uncle Alfred said:
Now that I look at it, this is probably for the best. The original story probably had Stella as a Lightning sort of character and both her and Noctis would be OP in the world of FFXV...of course Luna could still be OP as well. Knowing SE however and how they write each character entirely on their name, Luna which stands for Moon rather than Star makes it seem like Luna will be more mild mannered.

If Nomura was left to his own devices every main character would be OP, or at the very least above human level.

There have been quite a huge number of strong female characters in FF, and looking back most of them were exactly that..rather than damsels in distress as I believe one user complained about Luna being.

A big No. Nomura at reveal of Stella, was especially asked how similar stella to lightning, and his answer was she is completely opp, she is strong but grounded at the same time and is torn between love for Noctis and loyatly for family. The whole Shakespear's multiple stories adaptation was the biggest pull of the versus, And Nomura was using Romeo & Juliet esque love story on Noctics and Stella as a sales pitch for the game.

why is it so hard to understand.


Do you have a link to that?  I tried looking it up, but no success thus far.  

 

Either way, there's what a character is and how a character is.  I remember there was information before FFXIII released on how enemy soldiers would have depth or something, but the story of FFXIII never pushed it...or rather they did very slightly at the beginning but it was a weak showing of this idea.

The Romeo and Juliet sales pitch could very well still be there anyways.  Maybe they just decided not to have Luna be OP.

well i believe this interview was published in famitsu around or before SE DK3713 event.

So far what i have seen, I dont think they have retained any of the shakespear element either hamlet or Romeo and juliet. It will be just the plain story of city being attacked by neighboring city when a peace treaty goes bad and boyband group going on road trip to find something which will save the city. and oh luna will be the character stuck at home waiting for noctis to return.



The hype is gone guys, the hype is gone.. If you've been following this game since 2006 then you'll know what I'm talking about. New comers will have no idea, so they're neutral, and that is fine because this game might turn out to be good, but it lost what got me most interested in it.



deskpro2k3 said:
The hype is gone guys, the hype is gone.. If you've been following this game since 2006 then you'll know what I'm talking about. New comers will have no idea, so they're neutral, and that is fine because this game might turn out to be good, but it lost what got me most interested in it.


I have followed the production since 2006, and I've been hyped since then.

These changes don't affect my hype. 



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taus90 said:
Kowan said:
taus90 said:
Kowan said:

You can't really say that when the game itself isn't released yet. Same for Versus, no one has ever played that nor knows what the story is about. Sure Stella SEEMED important but we don't know the entirety of her story.  Luna replaced her and she looks exactly like Stella, who knows what her role will ultimately be.

Well I can, as there have been tons of info and trailer on who stella was and how important she was to the story, as a matter of fact, noctis and stella were the only charactered introduced, and Nomura used their Romeo & Juliet esque angle to promote the game. People who have been following this game for9 years, know exactly what this game was and why it was special and there was a reason why it was named VERSUSXIII.. its just people who only had fleeting interest in the game think nothing was revealed and everything is a speculation.

I have been following the game since its announcement and have watched, read everything Square has released for it and in no way have they released sufficient info about Stella. Why would they when the game isn't released yet. If you really do know who she is, then please enlighten me. Who is she? What is her role? WHat does she do? Why does she appear to be fighting against Noctis? Who wins? Does she live? Oh and don't be saying she's a special someone who like Noctis can see the light of the place of the dead. Tell me something that makes her important to the entirety of the story since you seem to know the story of Versus already.

No offence, but it doesnt seem like you had been following this game, do u know how many trailer, gameplay trailerare out there? and how many gameplay trailers and japenese article on the game, so many of fans wouldnt have been cosplaying stella or noctis if they they have any info on them. Again as i said they were the only two people introduced from the game and were used for promotion, infact only stella was used in one of the japenese promo of final fantasy versus describing what Fabula Nova Crystalis is, they wouldnt have used her if she wasnt important to the story as noctis was. And i have stated about this in my other post go look it up, its more than about seeing light of the day.

but just for your satisfaction I'll try one more time to explain who stella was...

The reason people were invested in the original character is because of the way she was pitched as. Character design, just the visual, on its own, is already an expression of an intent. When you see Cloud with a big ass sword you know he's a tough guy in some kinda uniform even without having played the game or seeing him in action. Character traits therefore are expressed in the design itself. Design has been changed, the new girl looks a lot more younger, less confident and more vulnerable, just from the outset. But we had more to the pitch of Stella than just that. We had scenes in which she was shown being in some kind of imposed rivalry with Noctis, we had scenes from trailers and descriptions that gave ideas of what her character is like. All of these were presented to us in order to sell us, potential audience, on the character of the upcoming game. That's what people were invested in.

We had a strong girl from a rival family who had similar abilities to the protagonist, being stuck in a Romeo and Juliet-esque star-crossed lovers situation. On one hand stella was one who was more upfront and accepting about her gift, as oppose to noctis who had reservations about it (speculation were that he had spilt personality, as his eyes would glow red for when ever he saw the light, changing him into antoganist, pitting him against stella or  probably she would have been a sub boss character) That was the pitch and some people found it interesting and an appealing point of the game.

It is now being discarded and replaced with what the new dev team thinks would work better for the game they are making - which is fair - but if an interesting pitch like Stella is being replaced with a vulnerable princess archetype that might not even hold a candle to better ladies in the series such as Ashe, Garnet or Yuna, well then of course people will be a little bit worried (although fair is fair, I'll admit that we don't know many details about Lunafreya yet - other than the way she is presented so far or, er, pitched to us if you want).

Again No offence! i wouldnt have needed to tell you all this if all if you had honestly followed the game over the years.


What you are telling me right now are all VAGUE details about her. You did not even answer my question. All the details about her that have been released only gives us an initial impression of what her character will be like but ultimately not what she really is and what her role is in the story of the game. You clearly don't know that yourself. I have watched all available trailers since announcement so please don't tell me things I already know. THey have shown little of Luna and yet you already think she is a weak female character when Stella herself showed similar traits on some of her footage. Just because they showed her with magical powers and rapier confidently facing Noctis does not mean that she is all that.  I wonder how shocked you guys will be when they suddenly show Luna conjuring magic swords and fighting alongside Noctis. lol. They already showed her walking alone, injured in the bonus scenes of Episode Duscae. That may mean she fought her way out or she just sneaked out and barely made it out alive. Just because one follows every detail Square released for the game does NOT mean you will be able to know everything about both games. I mean seriously, THE GAMES HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED YET.  Claiming you know about the entirety of the story and the characters just makes you look kind of ridiculous. EVen more so using Cosplay as proof of knowledge of who the character is. That's kinda laughable. Most people cosplay based on what they see and not much of what they know about the character(no offense to cosplayers but much of that is true). I mean people were already cosplaying Noctis just based on the first versus trailer. Character design can only tell so much, it does not and WILL NEVER tell us who they really are. That's for the narrative to tell us. It can even fool us into thinking who the character really is. Just look at how many people think Noctis is an emo character just because of his looks when in reality he is an egotistic, careless, prince character(well at least from how he was represented in all the versus trailers and how NOmura described him). Tabata seemed to have made him more serious and more like Squall in the recent XV footages and demo.

I'm not saying you are completely wrong but please stop acting as if you've already read the whole story or played both versions of the game.



deskpro2k3 said:
The hype is gone guys, the hype is gone.. If you've been following this game since 2006 then you'll know what I'm talking about. New comers will have no idea, so they're neutral, and that is fine because this game might turn out to be good, but it lost what got me most interested in it.


Honestly it lost that when I learned it wasn't PS3 exclusive. Since that day I promised to buy this one used. (Bought FFT0HD full price though)



I wouldn't say the hype is gone as the game is still a new concept for the series, for me personally I liked the look of the old concept and what was planned so I'm not anticipating it as much as before as I'm wondering whether we're just going to get the usual FF story type only with an open world but still looking forward to it.



I'll leave this here:  

We'll see in 2017 (My estimate for the game's release) if any of this remained.  Whoever can gloat at each other then.  



darkknightkryta said:

I'll leave this here:  

We'll see in 2017 (My estimate for the game's release) if any of this remained.  Whoever can gloat at each other then.  

yup this game is dead