I do argue with John, I just don't think production could, or would be increased as much as he wants.

It is generally much harder to argue with john because he doesn't use flawed logic on past numbers but rather mystical dreams which he thought up and then wrote an article about.
It is easy to argue against someone trying, and failing, to use logic and fact to his advantage.
it is hard to argue against someone like John... unless you happen to spot a flaw somewhere (which usually boils down to Nintendo's production increases)

This.

The difference is that JL doesn't start too many threads about his predictions, nor does he really go into sales comparisons. He'll make his prediction, post a thread about it, and then disappear until the next one.

And last time I checked, he was pretty close with his 20 million by the end of 2007 prediction. His more recent ones (4.1 million/month and 60 million end of 2008) are a bit more far fetched. But he doesn't really bother to try and get anyone to believe him or anything. Avinash never made threads about his predictions as far as I know.

Crazzy on the other hand makes many threads about a whole bunch of stuff, and in the thread he usually manages to destroy his own comparison through bad typing skills (or bad English), poorly thought-out argument, and usually all around just plain being wrong.

Then when you don't agree with him or try to disprove him, he either goes into a mis-quoting phase where he'll quote one sentence of yours that doesn't sum your argument at all, and then you'll have to repeat yourself to no avail. Then, he'll start getting angry (which can be measured by how many chins his smilies have), and then say something like "if you DON't believe in SONY DIMINATION leave THIS thREad."

The thread, however, will last another 10 pages with every other page being exactly alike, since every argument runs in circles when Crazzy is involved.

The Wii is performing more-or-less in line with John Lucas' prediction and time will ultimately vindicate him. Crazzyman's predictions were based on his personal preference for the PS3 and not based on any sales trends.

 The answer is obvious. This site has far more wii fanboys then Sony fanboys. Hence the majority loves John lucas and hates crazzyman.  As far as trolling goes its all a matter of interpretation I suppose. Often on this site the biggest offenders and trolls are in denial mode when they do it but if there is even a hint of trolling when somone else does it who is not a supporter of their chosen console they cry foul like little immature children.

I think that a big reason why many VG Chartzers hold John Lucas in high regard is because he's a friendly, charming, all around good guy. He happily welcomes healthy debate, and never goes negative when faced with detractors. John genuinely likes his fellow posters, and I think it shows in his posts.

Right or wrong, crazy or no, I just can't help but like the guy. You can chalk me up as a JL fanboy.

The wii is selling well enough to make 60 million by years end?

 Quoting for double emphasis.

Well stated

And crazzyman, is just crazy, while JL isn't.

What opinion? You posted completly off topic, and stated the PS3 is last and forever doomed to be last, so what? Is the topic "Is the PS3 doomed forever?", I think not.

I think a lot of it has to do with what the majority want to hear. If John Lucas was making outrageous predictions on behalf of the PS3 I suspect he would be met with far more ridicule and attacks than what he gets now with his outrageous Wii predictions.